Are the Democrats "jumping the shark" on Kavanagh?

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  1. TheGreatSatan

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    This whole Kavanagh Supreme Court display has got to be the most obvious Political stunt i have ever seen. Next he's gonna be tied in with russia.... watch...

    It seems the democrats are desperate and reaching. what do you all think?

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    I think it is overwhelmingly obvious that the timing had everything to do with Dems making their best play to get this vote to happen after the midterms.

    But that is only an opinion about political gamesmanship. To be 100% clear, I think at this point it is much more plausible than not that Kavanaugh really is (or was) a complete dirtbag. Ford seems credible and believable. Kavanaugh hasn't presented himself well in his defense. Regardless of the mishandling of the information to play political games (which is really just karma for Garland, so spare the righteous indignation), the alleged victims have demonstrated they made these allegations to others in the past. That has not been proven false. And circumstantial evidence re: yearbooks and Judge books, etc, really supports the dirtbag scenario.

    I can't say it beyond reasonable doubt, but it does pass the preponderance of evidence threshhold.
     
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    Are you kidding? Ford is a disaster.

    She cannot name the time or place or day of the alleged attack, she does not remember how she got there or how she got home.

    She claims her girl friend Leland Keyser was there, Keyser says she was not and has no knowledge of an attack and does not know Kavanaugh.

    She claimed Patrick J. Smyth was there, he denies it and every aspect of Fords claim.

    In 2012, Ford told her therapist 4 men attacked her, she did not name Kavanaugh as one of them. Now she says it was Kavanaugh, and her husband claims she told the therapist it was Kavanaugh (the therapist notes deny that claim).

    For such a traumatic life changing event - as Ford describes it - she kept it very quiet. Her husband claims she told him in 2002 that she was attacked in high school but did not say by who.

    The other 3 people who claim she told them, are no better. One woman (Adela Gildo-Mazzon) says Ford told her in 2013 she had been attacked in high school, no details given. In 2016, she told her sons baseball coach (Keith Koegler), and later sent the coach emails naming Kavanaugh - which seems odd to me that a person would tell such a personal story to essentially a stranger. In 2017, Ford told Rebecca White - essentially another stranger.

    And as to yearbooks, there was a lot of attention given Fords yearbooks recently - because they were scrubbed from the internet. But once on the net, always on the net. Ford was a partier and a slut in high school, with a reputation for "dating a lot of boys". Her yearbooks detail binge drinking, strippers, and a lot of wild behavior.

    Its an incredibly weak claim.
     
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    None of which would be atypical for the time passed, or the situation.

    You're being misleading, probably on purpose. They say they do not recall it, not that they definitively know they weren't. Doesn't help Ford, but also nothing conclusive. Can you name every apparently uneventful party you ever attended? If so, you're not typical.

    The therapist notes have not been fully turned over. Reporting suggests the assailants are not named in the notes, and this would not be unusual even if the name was mentioned to the therapist. I am not aware if the therapist has given any statement, though it would be unsurprising if they don't recall the names. The 4 persons allegedly mentioned in the therapist notes were meant by Ford to describe the number of boys at the party at the time, not the number of assailants. This is an actual inconsistency, unlike most of what you mention, but not a damning one.

    He was told before Kav was nominated to the SCOTUS is what matters in terms of it corroborating her story. It is not at all unusual for people to be quiet about traumatic events that happened to them.

    Not odd at all. Doctors and therapists are strangers. Friendly strangers are good to confide in since you don't have to see them every day and they're unbiased. From what I heard on the radio this morning all of them heard the assailant identified by name or as a federal judge.

    Even if true, so what? Being a partier who has dated lots of boys doesn't make somebody fair game to be assaulted. In a yearbook Kav labeled his football team as "alumnis" of another woman (who ironically signed the letter saying Kav is nice), implying all of them had sex with her. It's possible both Kav and Ford were sluts, but Ford isn't claiming to have been a virgin, lol. Much like Trump, Kav doesn't care about being honest, he only cares about the result.

    It's not very weak, probably typical considering the time passed. The 2nd accusation is significantly weaker last I checked, since nobody could corroborate it. Ford has quite a few who claim to have heard something about it prior to Kav being a target, has passed a lie detector test, etc.
     
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    I believe that any person trump nominated would suddenly have democrats producing all kinds of various allegations about that person. It seems to be the new times we live in.
     
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    No matter how the accusers come out the dems have overplayed their hand.
     
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    This is not an "uneventful" party. The 2 people who Ford names as witnesses both deny her claim. Thats not as simple as it doesn't help Ford, it hurts her claim.

    Ford even today in her statements in front of the Senate says she did not tell these strangers about it until Trump announced Kavanaugh was on the short list.

    On teh yearbooks, teh post I was responding to brought up Kavanaughs yearbooks as evidence of his assumed guilt. Fords behavior as shown in her yearbooks are far, far worse than Kavanaughs.
     
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    Don't imagine that the Democrats are through trying to defame and smear Brett Kavanaugh, just because the nomination will proceed on to the full Senate. They'll try to construct some new fable or invent some other obstruction to paralyze the process -- wait and see!

    Radical Democrats will stop at nothing to destroy Kavanaugh because he and other Conservatives on the SCOTUS will support the Constitution and help deter this country's headlong plunge into anti-American lawlessness and irresponsibly, insane Socialism....
     
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    Will they double down on jumping the shark? Sure looks that way. All their wild stunts and protesters do not inspire confidence. They look more and more desperate by the day. All their hopes hang on the blue wave and when that fails to materialize we will see a reforming of the democrat party. They will shed all the old school liberals and go all in on global socialism. Guys like Gavin newsome are their future.
     
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    Here is something the FBI should check into.
    I am surprised if true Ford didn’t bring copies of her school records to the senate hearing.
    She testified her grades/studies were not so good after the attack.

    So the fbi should go look at her school records and obtain copies.
    Let’s see what they reveal.

    Her junior and senior year grades should definitley be a lot worse than her 8th grade and freshman year of high school grades.

    If you remember Ford’s testimony though, the strange thing was she commented specially on her college grades, don’t think she mentioned her high school struggles after the supposed attack.
     
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    What silly hysteria.. The US is going to be socialist.
     
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    Ford's testimony has been refuted by her own witnesses and friends.
     
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    Something else I wonder about.
    Remeber when Ford was surprised in hearing when she was told Grassley and company would have indeed come to her anywhere to do interview and questioning.
    But what didn’t we see when this happened?
    We never saw either attorney say Ms Ford was briefed on this issue.

    So did her attorneys commit unethical behavior by not telling her. Meaning they wanted her to testify in public against Ford’s actual desires.
     
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    I can't disagree with you, Margot. Radical Democrats and their allies, the RINO's, have teamed together. The United States that became the greatest nation in the history of mankind has entered into a state of serious decay and is headed for ruin. And we could 'get away with it' but for the fact that competing countries are NOT asleep -- far from it.

    You, who have an international perspective that is greater than most who post here must surely know this. You are surely fully aware of what China, and, China-and-Russia are building and developing in the world now, even as each country becomes far more powerful militarily every single year.

    Meanwhile, we sit over here in our oblivious little vacuum, with our political factions tearing themselves to pieces in what amounts to a very corrosive, destructive CIVIL WAR. It's not hysteria, Margot. And, yes, the Democrats are fighting very effectively to maintain their ability to subvert and enfeeble the will of voting citizens by installing their own stooge "judges" throughout the legal system -- enabling them to continue LEGISLATING-FROM-THE-BENCH. We are in a downhill slide and we won't recover.

    Thank you, radical Democrats, and your allied vermin -- the "RINO's"... 'Republicans-In-Name-Only"....

    [​IMG]. "Best of all, we didn't even have to fire a single shot!"
     
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    Even if the Democrats wisened up.......
    and started behaving themselves wisely tomorrow afternoon......
    I believe that the damage has been done and I think that the Democratic Party is in for a serious pounding in the mid-terms!


    Wow.... have they ever!!!!!

    In a way..... what they did to Kavanaugh and his family reminds me somewhat of.......

    Isaiah 53:3-5
    Although it was words and false accusations..... rather than a Roman scourge........ by being patient and by hanging in there......
    Kavanaugh and his family and major supporters... may have participated in the humbling of the DNC.... at a whole new level...... We will soon know for sure!
     
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    Yes.... and it may not be due to their being scared of Roe vs Wade......
    it may be because some of them are scared of being charged with treason.....

    if the SC....... is properly prepared.....

    Does anybody know if this photo is of the Dr. Ford in question?

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