What do liberals have against Kavanaugh?

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  1. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

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    OK, it's been said repeatedly that Kavanaugh is a constitutionalist. Isn't that what we want on the supreme court?

    Are liberals afraid the decision in Roe vs. Wade wasn't constitutional?? Is that what this is all about? I don't really have a stake in that; I've never had an abortion, nor will I. It seems sort of immoral to me; however, since like tends to breed like, after the behavior of the past two weeks especially, my inclination is not only to allow some segments of the population to do so, but to cheer them on.

    Kavanaugh has said he has no plans to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Could he be lying? Sure. Anyone could be, even Dems. You will never be absolutely sure. Don't liberals understand THAT THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS at the present time? If Judge Kavanaugh is not confirmed, the next nominee will likely not be nearly as patient with their views. And that person will be confirmed, because these stunts can only work so many times.
     
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    Libertarian here, but I think I can answer. I think most of the issues-related stuff they have with Kavanaugh is that he's an originalist--he holds that the original intent of the authors of the Constitution should be the standard used for interpreting it rather than the Constitution being a "living document." That and he seems supportive of the unitary executive theory, which would put more power in the hands of the President, something that is a little concerning with the high likelihood that the President will have investigation-related cases in front of the Supreme Court. Then there is the Roe v Wade thing, but that seems like more of an additional issue than something directly related to originalism.

    As for me, the originalist point of view has its drawbacks and its benefits; I personally would like to see some originalists and some non-originalists on the SC. The unitary executive is a much bigger issue, but I think the rest of the SC is more than enough to balance out any extreme views Kavanaugh has there.
     
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    Bridget Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. This is good information.
     
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    They are scared the court going to go hard right and they will lose Roe and never pass any real gun control.
     
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    They are afraid of states defunding PPH and shutting down government funding of their abortion mills they use on minorities. This will lead to suits against the states that would ultimately make it to the SCOTUS where they will have no legal standing and not enough activist judges to stop the states from with holding funding from PPH. PPH is also a big donation ring back to the left, which is weird for a government funded entity to have so much excess in funds they can "donate" back to the very same people who fight for the government funding.
     
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    ^ This.

    But good post from Yardmeat too.
     
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    We have not heard from one single person who claims Kavanaugh is not judicially qualified. All they have against him is -- he was nominated by Trump; he is a Christian; he follows the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and existing laws.
     
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    I think his ruling on Gamble vs. US is a good example of what caused liberals concern...
     
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    Libs - including libertarians - failed to stop Kavanaugh by debating the issues

    So they turned to character assassination instead
     
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    I had no interest in stopping Kavanaugh based on any issues. The strongest argument against him was that he was in favor of the unitary executive theory and was being appointed by a President who will likely be making arguments before the SC soon. Even that wasn't enough for me to say he shouldn't be voted in, though. It is a little concerning, but the rest of the SC is more than enough to make up for that concern. Nor have I assassinated his character. Both he and Ford said things in their testimony that gave me cause for concern and doubt. Which is why I'm glad there will be an investigation.
     
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    All the potential wittnesses. named by ford have signed sworn ststements saying she is wrong
     
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    HE always sides with business over consumer.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you persist in bogus?
     
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    Its the fact
     
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    At least one of those witnesses has said that she doesn't recall the party but believes Ford is telling the truth. That doesn't prove anything, but it certainly isn't a "swarn statement saying she is wrong."
     
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    No information is not EVEN negative information, it is NEUTRAL.
     
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    A vote of “I have no knowledge” is a vote against ford
     
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    White and Catholic two strikes
     
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    Is isn't a vote. And "I have no knowledge" is not the same thing as "she's wrong, it didn't happen." Anyone vaguely competent in the English language knows this.
     
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    If she cant say it did gappen then its a plus for Kavanaugh and a minus for ford

    If her claims are unproven she should go to jail herself
     
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    Yes there is fear in relation to RvW and rightly so

    Countries with strict anti abortion laws also have high rates of maternal mortality
     
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    If that's how you feel, then you don't actually believe in the presumption of innocence. And there is still a difference in the English language between "I don't know" and "she is wrong."
     
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    Roe v. Wade was passed on very shaky grounds.

    Odds are if it comes back into court they will overturn it and dump the choice on the states and wait for another abortion case to be presented that actually is based on solid grounds before deciding if its constitutional or not.
     
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    Here's the short list....
    • white
    • male
    • Christian
    • Gun-rights
    • family man
     
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    Ford had not named ANYONE who confirms her story

    Which makes her guilty of bearing false witness
     

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