Dutch language besieged....

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  1. The Scotsman

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    by English at university........
    The spread of extremist English is causing existential issues.....
    This is a cultural crisis and these people that insist on speaking English in the very heart of the Dutch establishment will be the downfall of that ancient culture...and make no mistake once its taken a foothold in Holland it will spread...before long English will be spoken in the seats of learning in France and Germany undermining the cohesion of these staunchly traditional countries.

    Next they'll be forced to serve fish and chips.....:eek:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46030112
     
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    You open your country to unrestricted cultural liberalism and this is what happens. Your native peoples are predicted to become displaced, and you call it racism and white supremacism when its pointed out, but when your language is threatened why do they react in such a way?

    I am Scottish and I support the complete erasure of English culture, including language, from Scotland over the course of the next 150 years, so naturally I don't view the English language spreading in good light. Latin should be the lingua franca of Europe, not English.
     
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    And this is all based on what?
     
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    ....it says so in the article....don't you see it!! its the tip of the iceberg...first Holland will fall then the rest of the world! Don't bury your head in the sand and think its not going to spread...Its only a matter of time before all the peoples of the world will be compelled to read Rupert Brooke, turn to face Grantchester Meadows and wonder if there is still honey for tea. You need to prepare yourself; take up the fight against this insidious and every growing scourge that is the spread of English! Take heart you brave soul; reach for your bow of burning gold, grab your arrows of desire and sally forth unto the fight in your chariot of fire!

    With many apologies to William Blake and Rupert Brooke.....:D....but be warned.....

    Till, at a shiver in the skies,
    Vanishing with Satanic cries,
    The prim ecclesiastic rout
    Leaves but a startled sleeper-out,
    Grey heavens, the first bird's drowsy calls,
    The falling house that never falls.

    Quake in your boots world for English comes.....:shocked:.....o_O
     
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    It's founded on 1 opinion. And not of a professor of cultural anthropology.

    This is not based on anything. This seems to be like the domino theory. And that proved to be untrue. English is spoken around the world. I don't believe that it has replaced any European countries language. Look at freaking Luxembourg go. And as long as everybody is raised up with Dutch, as the national language... compulsionary in school to be learned since the government doesn't accept an other language, besides Frisian.
     
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    If only US schools thought the same way. English at schools... what a concept...
     
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    For hundreds of years Latin was the language of academia.

    Most scientists speak English.


    https://aeon.co/essays/how-did-science-come-to-speak-only-english
     
  8. The Scotsman

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    mate, I'll give you a hint.....this is a piss take.....not to be taken seriously....:)
     
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    I'm french, and even if I love the true european culture (the one before the french revolution), I don't think it's will happen anyway. Around the world millions of non native english speaker learn this language. A chinese, an indian and a french man can have a conversation together, how ? English. All the scientific papers are wrote in english, and a lot of technical things. Learning latin can be good too. But it's a fact. English is the lingua franca of this world for the next centuries. One may not like him, I personnaly don't care, but hoping for something else is for me simply foolishness.

    Unfortunatly, what is happening is a slow but sure european culturcide which is already well advanced. Language is just the last step.

    I'm afraid it's the fate of a lot of european countries anyway. Most of them lost most of their cultural identity anyway. We're watching american movies, listening american music. Myself, I am quite xenophobic, hostile to the outer world, but in the end, I spend more and more times reading in english or listening things in english, simply because I need to learn things, to read things, and there is more material on english. So I go simply to the source.

    The european civilization is dead, maybe it's time to not pretend anymore it's alive.

    I'm not sure however it's a bad things for the student. Being good in english is something very positive for a young worker or student.
     
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    Dont underestimate Spanish and Chinese.
     
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    I wouldn't bet on any of those languages. Chinese is too much difficult to be learned by a majority of foreigners, and will probably remain only speaken and written in China even if more and more people would learn it for diplomatic and business reasons.
    Spanish would qualify more easily. They have a lot of speakers, but neither the business or scientific power. If Brazil spoke spanish, I would have, maybe but it seems to me unlikely.
    There is now decades of scientific papers written in english. There is too decades of programming tools created in english. More and more subsaharian african start to speak english and in some regions, it's even replacing french. I would be a subsaharian african leader, I would encourage the learning of english, not french.
    A possible rival could be arabic, but I don't think it will happen. The latin alphabet is the most widely used way of writting used, and arabic language is apparently a complex language too learn. Furthermore, even with the petro-monarchy, there is no reasons to think that the rest of the arabic world will rise.

    I doubt that english would be replaced by another language as lingua franca. I even suppose that if one day the whole world speak one language, it would be a mutated by the centuries version of english.
     
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    I doubt it's difficult, since about any ethnic Chinese is able to speak a Chinese language.
    The Chinese are everywhere. You simply can not get lost if you speak Chinese in any given city in the world.

    I found that Chinese accounted for 3% of foreign languages class enrollment in the US, while about 1% speaks Chinese now.

    And how about this:
    As for now there are 149 French primary schools, which offer Chinese courses have 7,631 students. French account for 90 percent of them and only 10 percent are Chinese offsprings. Thirteen French universities now offer Chinese Specialty curriculum around the year.
    http://www.china.org.cn/english/culture/96286.htm

    Also:
    https://africanarguments.org/2018/06/25/started-hype-chinese-spreads-fast-africa-language-success/

    And this is picking up, not slowing down.
    Look at where Chinese is at now vs the world.
    Compare it where it was in 1980 vs the world.
     
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    There is a huge differences between learning chinese and be able to be fluent in chinese. Chinese is an excessivly difficult language to learn. Those schools understood the huge role chinese will play in future.
    Chinese is already and will be more and more a very important language, however, I'm still not sure it will become a lingua franca. I know some half-chinese people, and even with a parent speaking chinese, they have difficulties to be fluent in this language. Even more when it's written.
     
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    Most non native English speakers who can speak English, do not speak it fluently. Plenty of native Spanish speaking Americans struggle with it, to the point it upsets the native English speakers who don't know that the US doesn't have an official language.
     
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    And that's while english isn't that difficult (the pronunciation is a horror) and share common roots with spanish.
     
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    Hagelslag, is one Dutch word/the Dutch word I know, atm.

    Damn though, when I chanced across Dutch comedy...
    The one word I know, came up.

    It's chocolate sprinkles, and it's a Dutch custom for breakfast.
    It's the only word I know, I've been there twice so far; mmmm; Hagelslag.

    I don't know any Dutch comedy and got curious one day.

    I'm happy they said the word I know...
     
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