Don't Tell Anyone, But We Just Had Two Years Of Record-Breaking Global Cooling

Liberals do it every day. Without flimsy implied evidence, they'd never be successful at much of anything. Liberals like their circumstantial evidence. They have to believe in something you know....

 

Actually Antarctica is growing and the Ross ice shelf is not only stable but adding ice. More evidence that the last two years have been colder and doesn't make me feel good about claims we are entering another mini ice age.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/02/ross-ice-shelf-bore-antarctica-freezing/

 

For those here who profess their belief in AGW, please explain how the US interagency report on climate has now concluded that within a century, the global average temperature will increase to 73F... That's roughly 15F warmer that the most aggressive estimates of our current average global temperature today. (58F.) It also DOUBLES the HIGHEST estimate of the IPCC report that mentioned that in the worst case, we might see 7F of future warming reflected in the global average.. Never fear, the bureaucrats are here, and they've dumped a deusy on the rest of us. This report took 1000 people more than a million man hours to produce. And this is what they agreed to. 15F in a century. And liberals say there isn't waste in government.... Laughable..

 

Apparently you didn't understand the article. Here is what was actually found:

Surprising Finds
The surprises began almost as soon as a camera was lowered into the first borehole, around December 1. The undersides of ice shelves are usually smooth due to gradual melting. But as the camera passed through the bottom of the hole, it showed the underside of the ice adorned with a glittering layer of flat ice crystals—like a jumble of snowflakes—evidence that in this particular place, sea water is actually freezing onto the base of the ice instead of melting it.

“It blew our minds,” says Christina Hulbe, a glaciologist from the University of Otago in New Zealand, who co-led the expedition. The Ross Ice Shelf is considered more stable, at present, than many of West Antarctica’s other floating shelves—and this observation could help explain that: if a few inches of sea water periodically freezes onto the bottom of its ice, this could buffer it from thinning more rapidly.

 

Even NASA says the ice is growing in the Antarctic. The only hint that they inserted was the statement that "this might change in a couple of decades".
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ns-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

In fact, they go so far as to say that the growth of ice there is more than offsetting the diminishment of other areas that are seeing glacial melt off. (Includes Greenland FYI)...

 

A cross-purpose argument. In the end, we believe what makes sense based upon whatever it is that recent history has taught us ..... and (from it) what seems logical from a geo/political standpoint.

1). Scientists are saying global warming is not only real but has already made its' mark.
2). The Americans are saying global warming is a ploy to undermine American business interests.

From those two fundamental notions, I have no problem making my own preliminary judgment on which of the two "makes more sense".

 

So... fundamentally wrong. On both assertions. Literally most everyone agrees that the climate has warmed. Most understand that our warming is natural in nature. What many americans are saying is that there isn't sufficient evidence of the influence of man that either effects or exacerbates the current natural warming. And efforts so far advanced as "solutions" would greatly impact Global business negatively.

 

I merely pointed out claims that Antarctica is melting are false. Make of that what you will

 

Hidebound ideologues are incapable of abandoning their dogma for science.

The best they can ever contrive is to cherry-pick and seize upon snippets of scientific data, and take them out of the context in which they are among a multiplicity of factors for scientific analysis.

 

good grief, this has to be one of the most absurd conspiracies.

global warming deniers have over estimated the global warming accepters personal concern for them.

 

If the implication is strong enough you sure as hell do.

 

You don't even send a man to prison because he tends to be in the general area when there is a bank robbery but you would change our entire socioeconomic stucture because we have been around while the planet continues to warm as it has since the last ice age ended?

 

Their are conflicting scientific reports on whether Antarctica is growing or shrinking or stable. This just proves it's not "settled science".

 

That analogy is nonsense.

We have mountains of evidence that the earth is warming and we are the cause. The planet is warming faster than it has ever before. We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We know that the rise of CO2 in an environment will increase the temperatures in that environment. We know that we have unprecedented levels of CO2 increase in the last 100 years. We know the CO2 levels are drastically higher than they have ever been during human history.

You can ignore all of this, but don't pretend that you're somehow a skeptic or that science backs your loony opinions.

 

FAKE NEWS

NASA has given no such data

 

Let me just stop you right there. The caveat to that is ever before since man got here which is a tick of Earth's clock and even the caveat is wrong because it warmed much faster very recently when we literally popped out of the LIA period and glaciers that had been grownig for hundreds of years suddenly started receeding.

 

If you look at those who believe in arbitrative sources, most will concede that NASA is the arbiter here. Unfortunately, NASA study suggests that the Antarctic ice sheet is actually growing, and more, that it's growth overcomes the effects of any other places where melting might be currently happening. More, they suggest that there isn't a future point at which they could predict that this might change. (they do admit that it could, but don't indicate what mechanism would create this event.)

 

The Ross Ice Shelf “has come and gone probably many times in the last million years,” says Scherer. It likely collapsed during a warm period 400,000 years ago. But he believes it could also have collapsed as recently as 120,000 years ago, the last time that temperatures were about as warm as they are today.

If man didn't create global warming 400,000 years ago. And if man didn't create global warming 150,000 years ago. Then why do they call today's global warming, man made? How much of it is just an excuse to manipulate the world? Is it necessary to use global warming as an excuse to develop alternative energy sources. Or is it just fear mongering to weaken and readjust the worlds power structure of nations, and fatten investors wallets.

 

Actually, what is nonsense is your set of assertions here. Yes, we have evidence that our global average temp has increased. We have yet to create a definitive formula for why? Folks do speculate, as you do that "we" (whoever that is) are the cause. Further, you assert that our warming has come "faster than ever before", clearly something that you don't know, nor does any scientific evidence suggest this. Further, we do know that CO2 has an additive effect for warming, but so does H2O which is vastly more important. Banning water now? I doubt it. What we also know is that our current PPM saturation isn't "unprecedented", and the historic geological record tells us as much. You further assert you have knowledge of an increase in 100 years, which frankly, you cannot assert as the global record wasn't either available or could be evidenced.

And yet, you ignore all of these holes in your assertions that you cast as accepted fact. Well, I know lots of little kids still believe in Santa Clause too. Just sayin.

 

What would Al Gore do?

 

I know nothing about him. I am not American.

 

"cum hoc ergo propter hoc"

 

I don't think everyone here understands Arabic.

 

I am curious, why do you think that was Arabic?

 

What a luck we live in a "solar minimum". Imagine what the temperatures would have been if we lived in a solar maximum. Just staggering! Mother Nature has been very kind to us.