Medicare For All is best way to capitalism:

the states are laboratories of democracy. big changes should be tried there so we can learn what works. We don't want another welfare scam where it is nationwide and for example the liberal genocidal national school to prison pipeline is in place nationally as a beginning.

 

why ridiculous our liberals loved Stalin and spied for him. Now they love Sanders who honeymooned in the USSR. Do you see the libcommie trend in the Democratic party??

Norman Thomas ( socialist presidential candidate)
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.

 

I don't agree with this at all.

Regulation has stopped insurance companies from dumping those who get sick. It has ensured that those who ARE sick can still get insurance at standard rates. It has caused those at the low end of income to be able to get insured with insurance that is meaningful. It has allowed employees to move to a different company or to private enterprise and still get insurance. It has ensured that coverage includes a reasonable compilation of the health problems humans contract. It has improved communication of health care offerings that are available. Etc., etc., etc.

 

yes and it has far less regulation so does far better than Cuba. Now do you understand? Ever heard of DR/Haiti?

 

OP skipped the class on .... OP skipped a lot of classes

 

100% naive. Regulation caused it!! Ever heard of McCarran-Ferguson? Soviet regulation causes the problems. See how they brainwashed you? China is now less regulated and doing far far better. West Germany was far less regulated and so did better. Freedom works. That is the basic principle of America.

 

This whole thread is about you adopting socialism

 

op is about best way to capitalism. Do you understand?

 

Nobody is proposing socialism.

Nobody.

And, your comments about WWII are just plain nutty. We had two presidents during WWII. In what party were they members?

 

Cuba is a tiny island.

It's profoundly stupid to compare America's healthcare to that of a tiny island that America hated for years and did everything possible to defeat both economically and by war.

The fact that they remain today is impressive!

 

We've tried capitalism from the day we became a nation.

It has not provided what the American people need.

And, let's remember that all proposed directions include private for-profit capitalists providing the care.

Well, except for VA - which is socialist.

 

This is America, not Russia. So, anything you have to say about Russian regulation just pitches you as being deranged.

The reason for "West Germany" succeeding had NOTHING to do with regulation. You are STILL forgetting that East Germany was under blockade and was ruled by Russia - the country that sustained 11m troop deaths and between 7m and 20m civilian deaths at the hands of the Germans. Suffice it to say that Russia wasn't about to search out ways to give aid for the wellbeing of East Germany. West Germany was treated WAY differently.

Thus your argument is total ignorance of history.


Today, Germany has a compulsory health care system. Everyone has to have insurance. The majority of Germans are in the state insurance plan and pay into that system based on their ability to pay. They then get care IF and when they need it. Individuals may get more care or less care than their payments into the system would cover - it's like insurance in that way. If you don't get sick, you don't get anything back.


Germany DOES have a private insurance system as well, and those making good incomes are required to buy private insurance. But, that system has few or no customers who are in the categories that have been abandoned by insurance corporations in America. And, this private insurance DOES include regulations - beyond the mere fact that it is required. For example, insurance companies can not deny people insurance based on preexisting conditions.

 

So you don’t know what the word love or birth means. Lol

 

Already shown you why you are wrong.

 

Ok. Then let a state keep all its federal taxes.

Single payer would be no problem

 

If they get that they are spending more than 100 billion

 

I asked about vital statistics recordings.
You dodged

 

No.

Understanding convoluted logic is not on my priority list

 

So the silly liberal rahl thinks prices can't be published and customers can't shop for price and quality but is afraid to tell us why? What do we learn from his fear?

 

published prices and shopping with your own money is basic capitalism. Sorry to rock your world.

 

None of which has to do with single payer

 

I agree, and from single payer it would be easy to demand published prices and higher copays to create capitalistic price and quality control.

 

single payer is very popular and a great base for the switch to capitalism, just publish prices and use higher copays. Do you get it now?

 

Medicare sets fee schedules.
Complete price fixing. No capitalism involved

 

The US demands er care for free for those that can not pay. No capitalism involved