Is healthcare a "right?"

I've explained it all and I'm done with this BS. I'll not be replying to any more posts in this thread.

 

You have explained your mindset, unfortunately, that didn't make your reply any less of a non sequitur.

The irony is that all you had to do was answer his simple request for clarity and all of this would not have been necessary. I tried dropping this topic a long time ago. It is you that has droned on endlessly about it.

 

Probably a wise move considering...

 

Just some thoughts on government...

 

LOL...yes.......the first thing that one should do when they find themselves in a hole......is to stop digging!

 

It is their responsibility not to trick customers, but they do it all the time.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/community/t/health-insurance-cigna-ppo-employer-surgery/8387
It is so common, that only totally naive person believes that mistake is not intentional.

 

Haha...so you think the insurer is in cahoots with the anesthesiologist, do you? My lord.
Btw....per your link the bills end up getting paid by the insurer. But, but, I thought the insurance companies always deny claims??? Heh heh heh

 

That is may be true, but if I have a choice to be robbed by the gangster or by the government I will chose the government.
You have to understand that current health care system is designed essentially as system of a private taxation, where the government delegates the power of health care management to the private cartel.
The cartel sets the policies that removes competition and market forces in health care industry? and, as a result, the cost of services is so high and unpredictable that no one can afford it. But since medical cartel is a private organization the people have no influence on their policies.
People have no choice but to force government to implement Universal health care.

 

I don't feel a need to understand "that current health care system is designed essentially as system of a private taxation" as I disagree with that statement. Another statement I disagree with is " no one can afford it". Obviously not correct. I am about as poor as anyone in the US. My wife and I are almost $7,000 below the poverty line and we pay for insurance. The reason the current health care system appears to impose "a private taxation" is because of the ACA. That's why we have to check that box on our tax return. It will be the same thing with Medicare For All.

 

An anonymous post on a forum board as a source?

 

Very often and the trick with anesthesiology is their favorite. I have many friends that have gotten into that trap.

 

Sure you do.

 

You are confused. It is not that anesthesiology is not covered by insurance, because it is. What you are seeing is a separate bill where you owe a coinsurance rate for anesthesia for anywhere between 10-40% of the cost of that anesthesia. You pay other coinsurance rates, copays, deductibles etc for the entire procedure, but it is confusing because anesthesia comes separately. It is not uncommon at all to get different facility and physician bills depending upon the procedure performed.

This happens with Medicare as well as private insurance.

 

Have to tell those people who get cancer where the treatments run in tens of thousands of dollars....”why should I help you.” I guess I should say that to all those parents who have kids in public schools when I don’t. Why should I help them?What you are doing again is dehumanizing people and blaming them for their sicknesses by saying that they won’t control their spending or they might have contributed to their health problem . Maybe we should not allow overweight people to have healthcare
I care about all my fellow Americans

 

Nothing about any kind of mandatory welfare benefits is mentioned in the Constitution. That settles it for me.

 

In some cities the VA is the best hospital in that city. Outstanding care

 

Yeah its great

 

...and where I live, not so much.

Evening Vegas

 

Uh....I pay taxes. I will be paying for government funded healthcare....as you say

 

Sorry to hear that

Morning rich

 

Good. Pay for mine while you are at it.

 

No problem. It all comes out of my taxes

 

...and not mine as I have set myself up to not pay any.

 

What do you mean by "GSE" hospitals?

Hospitals DO get federal aid to cover indigent care for example. But, if they are losing money they have to raise their rates.

You are ignoring the fact that Medicare for all addresses two significant ways in which sick people get healthcare without paying the full rate - people getting services under the name of someone who is covered, people using ER services without being able to pay.

You should LIKE Medicare for all - it REDUCES both those cases.

Collections is a different issue. And, in the case of indigent care, the rate of collections is going to be extremely low - whether or not the care

 

What could be worse than having free healthcare for all. It’s almost as bad as educating kids until they’re 17