Breaking: Trump threatens to close border with Mexico

AmericanNationalist · Mar 30, 2019

Steve N said: ↑

Something needs to be done because the amount of illegals crossing our borders literally amounts to an invasion. Not too long ago democrats such as both Clintons, Fienstien, Reid, Obama and many others openly stated illegal immigration is a serious problem, what happened?

The best solution is a wall which prevents hordes from invading. If they dig a tunnel or try to go over it, then that will not only take time to accomplish and limit the number of people who could physically do it, it will also slow them down to crossing just one at a time rather than hundreds walking across all at once. With a wall in place it would take a lot less border patrol agents to monitor the border's remote areas and they can be placed at ports of entry and provide additional security.

There's an estimated 22 million illegals in this country - that means 1 out of every 15 people you meet is an illegal alien. If that doesn't bother you then I simply just don't know what to say.
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Whatever happened to Trump's suggestion of a remittance fee? They're not Citizens, so it wouldn't be a violation of tax laws. Take every last penny until they legalize themselves or leave.

61falcon · Mar 30, 2019

And he is just stupid enough to follow through despite the fact that a Billion and a half business transactions cross the U.S.-Mexico border every day.

Andrew Jackson · Mar 30, 2019

61falcon said: ↑

And he is just stupid enough to follow through despite the fact that a Billion and a half business transactions cross the U.S.-Mexico border every day.
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True.

Everybody KNOWS (And, it is Universally Accepted) THAT:

Trump is STUPID Enough.

AmericanNationalist · Mar 30, 2019

Andrew Jackson said: ↑

True.

Everybody KNOWS (And, it is Universally Accepted) THAT:

Trump is STUPID Enough.
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Well, maybe if we gave like business exceptions? We've got to do something(that's effective). It can't be seen that all you have to do to gain privilege in the US is to cross our border lines. And this has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with taking the US seriously.

Make the US a country again.

Smartmouthwoman · Mar 30, 2019

unkotare said: ↑

"1. U.S.-Mexico trade surpasses $1 billion every day, with the vast majority of bilateral commerce crossing our land border.

Mexico is the second largest destination of U.S. goods and services after Canada. In 2012, U.S. exports to Mexico totaled $216 billion—more than U.S. exports to Japan and China combined. [1]

Mexico is the United States’ third largest trading partner. Since NAFTA was signed in 1994, bilateral trade levels have quintupled, reaching $494 billion in 2012. [2]

Close to 80 percent of bilateral trade crosses the U.S.-Mexico land border every day. [3]

2. Millions of U.S. jobs depend on U.S. trade with Mexico—and on efficient cross-border commerce facilitation.

Six million U.S. jobs are supported by bilateral trade with Mexico, which means that one in 24 workers depend on U.S.-Mexico trade. [4]

More than 20 percent of U.S. jobs are linked to trade along the border. [5]

NAFTA-related trade between the United States and Mexico has added 1.7 million U.S. jobs. [6]

Trade with Mexico has created 692,000 jobs in California alone. U.S.-Mexico trade generated over 200,000 jobs in New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, and more than 100,000 jobs in 22 other states. [7]

3. Key U.S. industries vital to our national economy depend on Mexico.

In 2012, the top U.S. export categories to Mexico—machinery, mineral fuel and oil, vehicles, and plastic—added $128 billion to the U.S. economy. [8]

The United States and Mexico traded $70 billion in machinery, tools, and equipment in 2009, which were then used to produce other goods to be consumed locally or sold to foreign markets. [9]

The production-sharing model of U.S.-Mexico trade means that cars built in North America cross U.S. borders—both with Canada and Mexico—at least eight times during production. [10]

Even imports from Mexico support U.S. industries, with imported goods comprised of 40 percent U.S. content on average. [11]

4. Mexico is on the rise, with a growing middle class looking to legally cross our southern border to spend tourism dollars in the United States.

Over 13 million Mexicans traveled to the United States in 2010, spending $8.7 billion—second only to Canadians. [12]

Mexico may become the world’s fifth largest economy by 2050, with a higher GDP per capita than all but three European countries. [13] The border is an important gateway for welcoming Mexican tourists ready to spend their disposable income.

From 2007 to 2008, Mexican tourists who entered the United States through land ports of entry spent $2.69 billion [14] in Arizona alone, creating 23,400 direct jobs and 7,000 indirect jobs for Arizonans. [15]

5. Border communities throughout the U.S. southwest depend on Mexico to keep their economies growing.

In 2012, Mexico was the main export destination for three out of four border states: Arizona, California, and Texas. [16]

Twenty-three states count Mexico as their number one or number two export market. In 2012, 36 states counted Mexico as a top-five market. [17]

The San Diego-Tijuana border area, or the Cali Baja Bi-National Mega-Region, is a leading manufacturing and high-technology hub that spans both sides of the border, representing $202 billion in GDP in 2011 and a labor force made up of 3.1 million people."

https://www.as-coa.org/articles/get-facts-five-reasons-why-us-mexico-border-critical-economy
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Good cut & paste job. Link reminds us how Obama & his Congress recognized, but failed to act on border security. Now the same failed group is squealing like little girls because this president is actually doing something about it.

July 30, 2013

The U.S.-Mexico border offers unparalleled economic opportunities for Americans who live near the border as well as for workers and their employers throughout the United States. With the House of Representatives looking at various approaches to immigration reform—in which increased border security is a top priority—it is also critical to look at how the border improves competitiveness and brings direct and indirect prosperity to communities across the country.
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President Trump has my full support in this decision. Like most Americans, I'd be willing to endure temporary financial hardship for the sake of national security.

Shut 'er down.

ArchStanton · Mar 30, 2019

DavidMK said: ↑

Of course most illegals are overstaying Indians and Eastern Europeans. And all the produce and oil that Mexico sends us doesn't mean anything... Right?

Trump would be impeached BY HIS OWN PARTY for ****ing up their cheap labor sources. And with net migration being INTO Mexico, this wouldn't move the numbers at all once and for all disproving the BS he's seeing so I don't imagine his handlers will allow him to do this either.
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That would be incorrect.

2017 overstays:

Russia = 4,190

Mexico = 52,589
Nigeria = 19,676
Venezuela = 30,424
Haiti = 10,558
Dominican Republic = 11,349
Columbia = 22,148
Brazil = 33,759

(I could go on)

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1009_S1_Entry-Exit-Overstay_Report.pdf

Texan · Mar 30, 2019

61falcon said: ↑

And he is just stupid enough to follow through despite the fact that a Billion and a half business transactions cross the U.S.-Mexico border every day.
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Define “business transactions “. Wiring cash to Mexico? Our vacation dollars being spent in Mexico? Illegals sending cash to coyotes to smuggle relatives into the US? Drug purchases? We could do better without some of those business transactions.

ModCon · Mar 30, 2019

Shutting down the border is the proper response considering the size of this latest caravan. Sorry Mexico, we have to protect our border if you won't protect yours.

ocean515 · Mar 30, 2019

Kode said: ↑

What happened is that Trump started pushing a non-solution that only served to gin up his base. Proper, effective measures are needed and those who are on the "front lines" know best what those solutions are. But criminalizing people who are actually seeking asylum and separating children from parents as "punishment" and "deterrence" is not acceptable. Probably the greated crime committed on the border by Trump is the kidnapping and abduction of those kids with no records that would allow a prompt and reliable return of the children to parents, PLUS keeping them separate for more than a week or less. That has all be a crime against humanity.
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Kidnapping and abduction of children by Trump?

Kode, you've completely lost it.

The same thing occurred under Obama.

When adults show up at the border with no means of proving the children with them are related, the government has an obligation to protect them until that relationship can be established.

manchmal · Mar 30, 2019

unkotare said: ↑

"1. U.S.-Mexico trade surpasses $1 billion every day, with the vast majority of bilateral commerce crossing our land border.

Mexico is the second largest destination of U.S. goods and services after Canada. In 2012, U.S. exports to Mexico totaled $216 billion—more than U.S. exports to Japan and China combined. [1]

Mexico is the United States’ third largest trading partner. Since NAFTA was signed in 1994, bilateral trade levels have quintupled, reaching $494 billion in 2012. [2]

Close to 80 percent of bilateral trade crosses the U.S.-Mexico land border every day. [3]

2. Millions of U.S. jobs depend on U.S. trade with Mexico—and on efficient cross-border commerce facilitation.

Six million U.S. jobs are supported by bilateral trade with Mexico, which means that one in 24 workers depend on U.S.-Mexico trade. [4]

More than 20 percent of U.S. jobs are linked to trade along the border. [5]

NAFTA-related trade between the United States and Mexico has added 1.7 million U.S. jobs. [6]

Trade with Mexico has created 692,000 jobs in California alone. U.S.-Mexico trade generated over 200,000 jobs in New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, and more than 100,000 jobs in 22 other states. [7]

3. Key U.S. industries vital to our national economy depend on Mexico.

In 2012, the top U.S. export categories to Mexico—machinery, mineral fuel and oil, vehicles, and plastic—added $128 billion to the U.S. economy. [8]

The United States and Mexico traded $70 billion in machinery, tools, and equipment in 2009, which were then used to produce other goods to be consumed locally or sold to foreign markets. [9]

The production-sharing model of U.S.-Mexico trade means that cars built in North America cross U.S. borders—both with Canada and Mexico—at least eight times during production. [10]

Even imports from Mexico support U.S. industries, with imported goods comprised of 40 percent U.S. content on average. [11]

4. Mexico is on the rise, with a growing middle class looking to legally cross our southern border to spend tourism dollars in the United States.

Over 13 million Mexicans traveled to the United States in 2010, spending $8.7 billion—second only to Canadians. [12]

Mexico may become the world’s fifth largest economy by 2050, with a higher GDP per capita than all but three European countries. [13] The border is an important gateway for welcoming Mexican tourists ready to spend their disposable income.

From 2007 to 2008, Mexican tourists who entered the United States through land ports of entry spent $2.69 billion [14] in Arizona alone, creating 23,400 direct jobs and 7,000 indirect jobs for Arizonans. [15]

5. Border communities throughout the U.S. southwest depend on Mexico to keep their economies growing.

In 2012, Mexico was the main export destination for three out of four border states: Arizona, California, and Texas. [16]

Twenty-three states count Mexico as their number one or number two export market. In 2012, 36 states counted Mexico as a top-five market. [17]

The San Diego-Tijuana border area, or the Cali Baja Bi-National Mega-Region, is a leading manufacturing and high-technology hub that spans both sides of the border, representing $202 billion in GDP in 2011 and a labor force made up of 3.1 million people."

https://www.as-coa.org/articles/get-facts-five-reasons-why-us-mexico-border-critical-economy
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Sounds like some very good reasons for Mexico to start cleaning up the "migrant" problems on THEIR side of the border. If they don't the US economy may get the sniffles but the Mexican economy will go into a coma and die of "migrant" and illegal bacteria very quickly. What are they waiting for? All they have to do is use their army. Maybe they are just waiting for someone to offer them a bribe or a payoff. That is how things are done in a shithole country like Mexico.

AKS · Mar 30, 2019

unkotare said: ↑

"1. U.S.-Mexico trade surpasses $1 billion every day, with the vast majority of bilateral commerce crossing our land border.

Mexico is the second largest destination of U.S. goods and services after Canada. In 2012, U.S. exports to Mexico totaled $216 billion—more than U.S. exports to Japan and China combined. [1]

Mexico is the United States’ third largest trading partner. Since NAFTA was signed in 1994, bilateral trade levels have quintupled, reaching $494 billion in 2012. [2]

Close to 80 percent of bilateral trade crosses the U.S.-Mexico land border every day. [3]

2. Millions of U.S. jobs depend on U.S. trade with Mexico—and on efficient cross-border commerce facilitation.

Six million U.S. jobs are supported by bilateral trade with Mexico, which means that one in 24 workers depend on U.S.-Mexico trade. [4]

More than 20 percent of U.S. jobs are linked to trade along the border. [5]

NAFTA-related trade between the United States and Mexico has added 1.7 million U.S. jobs. [6]

Trade with Mexico has created 692,000 jobs in California alone. U.S.-Mexico trade generated over 200,000 jobs in New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, and more than 100,000 jobs in 22 other states. [7]

3. Key U.S. industries vital to our national economy depend on Mexico.

In 2012, the top U.S. export categories to Mexico—machinery, mineral fuel and oil, vehicles, and plastic—added $128 billion to the U.S. economy. [8]

The United States and Mexico traded $70 billion in machinery, tools, and equipment in 2009, which were then used to produce other goods to be consumed locally or sold to foreign markets. [9]

The production-sharing model of U.S.-Mexico trade means that cars built in North America cross U.S. borders—both with Canada and Mexico—at least eight times during production. [10]

Even imports from Mexico support U.S. industries, with imported goods comprised of 40 percent U.S. content on average. [11]

4. Mexico is on the rise, with a growing middle class looking to legally cross our southern border to spend tourism dollars in the United States.

Over 13 million Mexicans traveled to the United States in 2010, spending $8.7 billion—second only to Canadians. [12]

Mexico may become the world’s fifth largest economy by 2050, with a higher GDP per capita than all but three European countries. [13] The border is an important gateway for welcoming Mexican tourists ready to spend their disposable income.

From 2007 to 2008, Mexican tourists who entered the United States through land ports of entry spent $2.69 billion [14] in Arizona alone, creating 23,400 direct jobs and 7,000 indirect jobs for Arizonans. [15]

5. Border communities throughout the U.S. southwest depend on Mexico to keep their economies growing.

In 2012, Mexico was the main export destination for three out of four border states: Arizona, California, and Texas. [16]

Twenty-three states count Mexico as their number one or number two export market. In 2012, 36 states counted Mexico as a top-five market. [17]

The San Diego-Tijuana border area, or the Cali Baja Bi-National Mega-Region, is a leading manufacturing and high-technology hub that spans both sides of the border, representing $202 billion in GDP in 2011 and a labor force made up of 3.1 million people."

https://www.as-coa.org/articles/get-facts-five-reasons-why-us-mexico-border-critical-economy
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Stop with all the reason! I can't hear you - LALALALALAALALA! And get off my damn lawn!

AKS · Mar 30, 2019

Smartmouthwoman said: ↑

President Trump has my full support in this decision. Like most Americans...

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I'm not surprised trump has your full support. I'm also not surprised their are hordes of lemmings in this country but I highly doubt it's "most". The fact of the matter is that millions of jobs directly depend on trade with Mexico and an order of magnitude more are indirectly dependent. Only a complete gdamn fool would entertain such a rash thought as shutting down the border. Of course we all know that the only solutions to a problem trump can fathom are ham-fisted, illogical, and inelegant. He has no capacity to analyze a situation and seek an optimum solution. He IS a gdamn drooling idiot, an obese mound of human waste.

flyboy56 · Mar 30, 2019

FlamingLib said: ↑

Maybe we should stop sending them so much drug money. We're kind of enabling those drug lords, don't you think?
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It's those "we" people who are in favor of not securing our southern border.

AKS · Mar 30, 2019

Pred said: ↑

If Mexico fracking killed and imprisoned the drug lords we wouldn’t have a problem. It’s that simple. But they’re corrupt as ****.
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It's that simple, eh? I know you're smarter than that, Pred. As long as there is demand for drugs there will be a black market, and as long as there's a black market there will be drug lords. Billions upon billions of $ nor a war on drugs will change the fact. It really is that simple.

FlamingLib · Mar 30, 2019

flyboy56 said: ↑

It's those "we" people who are in favor of not securing our southern border.
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Yeah, all drug addicts are liberals. Who knew?

Steve N · Mar 30, 2019

Kode said: ↑

Probably the greated crime committed on the border by Trump is the kidnapping and abduction of those kids with no records that would allow a prompt and reliable return of the children to parents, PLUS keeping them separate for more than a week or less. That has all be a crime against humanity.
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None of the above would happen if illegals didn't try to come here and drag their kids along with them. How many kids are sexually abused or even die on their illegal journey here? Do even care? And again, none of the above could have happen if the policies, procedures and facilities weren't already in place and being used to a far greater degree by the previous president.

Pollycy · Mar 30, 2019

FlamingLib said: ↑

Maybe we should stop sending them so much drug money. We're kind of enabling those drug lords, don't you think?
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You are essentially correct. If I had my way, we would join forces with the Mexican military and exterminate the drug cartels throughout Mexico, from the ground up, 'root-and-twig'. But, as I have seen all my life, I rarely ever "get my way".

It is a substitute measure, sure, but if we SEAL THE BORDER SHUT, and not allow anyone in Mexico (who is not a citizen of the United States) to come in here while a declared national emergency is in force, we can get illegal drugs, illegal aliens, and 'migrants' working fraud to get in here to almost ZERO. And that would be a gigantic improvement over what any and all previous American presidents have ever been able to accomplish.

My honest appraisal of the situation is that it would take, at most, ONE month to completely straighten this situation out! I don't mind paying extra for America-grown avocados and asparagus for that long....

. Well-trained and well-equipped... the Mexican paramilitary police can FIX this -- pronto!

Chester_Murphy · Mar 30, 2019

They say it could cost 5 million jobs. Those connected to trade and those relying on trade to finish manufacturing products would be gone.
If we produce all those goods, the cost of purchasing them will skyrocket. We'd be better off annexing Mexico and splitting it into states like Puerto Rico. They could never become full citizens.

FlamingLib · Mar 30, 2019

Steve N said: ↑

None of the above would happen if illegals didn't try to come here and drag their kids along with them. How many kids are sexually abused or even die on their illegal journey here? Do even care? And again, none of the above could have happen if the policies, procedures and facilities weren't already in place and being used to a far greater degree by the previous president.
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A lot of this is traced back to Reagan propping up dictators in Central America out of fear of communism getting a toe-hold in the region. But back to the point, why do you think these people would risk life and limb to get here? They're afraid of getting killed in their countries and are trying to seek asylum here. According to our laws, we have to give them a hearing. A wall's not going to stop that.

Unless you support, which I suspect many Trump supporters would support, killing these people before they get to a wall. Just machine gun those brown bastards, right? Blow those ******* away.

flyboy56 · Mar 30, 2019

FlamingLib said: ↑

Yeah, all drug addicts are liberals. Who knew?
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Is "we" code for liberal drug addicts? If the shoe fits...

FlamingLib · Mar 30, 2019

flyboy56 said: ↑

Is "we" code for liberal drug addicts?
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"We" refers to Americans, who continue to send billions in drug money to the Mexican cartels. Americans should stop doing that.

ArchStanton · Mar 30, 2019

FlamingLib said: ↑

A lot of this is traced back to Reagan propping up dictators in Central America out of fear of communism getting a toe-hold in the region. But back to the point, why do you think these people would risk life and limb to get here? They're afraid of getting killed in their countries and are trying to seek asylum here. According to our laws, we have to give them a hearing. A wall's not going to stop that.

Unless you support, which I suspect many Trump supporters would support, killing these people before they get to a wall. Just machine gun those brown bastards, right? Blow those ******* away.
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Free stuff. Their countries are safer now than they've been in decades. They are NOT entitled to forum shop for asylum. It's the law here and in the Geneva Convention. So let's stop with the liberal propaganda. There is not 1 single person from Central America that is legally entitled to asylum in this country if they cross the southern border.

FlamingLib · Mar 30, 2019

ArchStanton said: ↑

Free stuff. Their countries are safer now than they've been in decades. They are NOT entitled to forum shop for asylum. It's the law here and in the Geneva Convention. So let's stop with the liberal propaganda. There is not 1 single person from Central America that is legally entitled to asylum in this country if they cross the southern border.
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El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras consistently rank among the most violent countries in the world. El Salvador became the world’s most violent country not at war in 2015, when gang-related violence brought its homicide rate to 103 per hundred thousand. It has since fallen by one third. Nevertheless, all three countries have significantly higher homicide rates than neighboring Costa Rica, Nicaragua, and Panama.

Extortion is also rampant. A 2015 investigation by Honduran newspaper La Prensafound that Salvadorans and Hondurans pay an estimated $390 million, $200 million, and $61 million, respectively, in annual extortion fees to organized crime groups. Extortionists primarily target public transportation operators, small businesses, and residents of poor neighborhoods, according to the report, and attacks on people who do not pay contribute to the violence.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/central-americas-violent-northern-triangle

AmericanNationalist · Mar 30, 2019

ArchStanton said: ↑

That would be incorrect.

2017 overstays:

Russia = 4,190

Mexico = 52,589
Nigeria = 19,676
Venezuela = 30,424
Haiti = 10,558
Dominican Republic = 11,349
Columbia = 22,148
Brazil = 33,759

(I could go on)

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1009_S1_Entry-Exit-Overstay_Report.pdf
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I like how you put Russia first . Way to trigger them(And yes, I do view politics as more serious than triggering, but the Left isn't being serious right now so why should I be.). But this shows how it's not a racial problem, but a national security problem that our immigration system is overloaded, legal immigrants can't be processed and people are sneaking through/overstaying.

Reforming the system is the right thing to do for America.

Kode · Mar 30, 2019

ocean515 said: ↑

Kidnapping and abduction of children by Trump?

Kode, you've completely lost it.

The same thing occurred under Obama.
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No it didn't.

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