Conservatives. What SHOULD health care in America look like?

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Ok, I learned.
Government ****ed everything up.
Let's not repeat

 

Repeal the HMO Act of 1973 and make illegal to profit from healthcare again.

 

How would a business exist if it couldn't make a profit?

 

So doctors, hospitals and health insurance companies didn't exist before 1973?

 

Incorrect. But how would a business exist if it couldn't make a profit?

 

You might want to look how a non profit runs then!...

 

Hmmm... a liberal bill introduced by Ted Kennedy.

What exactly does this bill do that you think needs to be reversed?

 

It should look like a market based, private sector industry that is regulated by government in the same way that banks are. The disaster would be letting the government manage it.

 

I think it should start with an obligation to take care of yourself. We are obese in this country for a reason, and it's not "lack of health care."

This is what young men looked like in Boston, lining up to enlist the day after Pearl Harbor. Men looked like that from coast to coast.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCool/comments/5h08nx/sailors_one_and_all_the_day_after_after_the/

What would a line of average young men look like today?

"I wanna beat the level !!!!"

 

I'm a big fan of research. That is good information about PBMs, thanks. The free market would fix this issue by allowing more competitors into the market and allowing for transparency in pricing. Here is the published drug and services price list for the Atlas MD clinic I've linked previously. Here's a screenshot of a bit of the list:

Their price for Metformin is 5 dollars for 100 pills. This direct pay clinic is doing what the guy in your linked video is talking about, offering drugs for their patients at the cash price and they're publishing the prices so you know can know what you're getting before you have to pay for it.

If prices are published by different vendors of these products it will become much easier to find the best prices and not have to rely on whatever your employers insurance allows. In a free market for prescription drugs I would expect some consumer advocate groups like Consumer Reports to publish best price lists for these products to make finding the best deals even easier.

The pharmaceutical industry is as heavily regulated as the insurance and healthcare industries are. If government was the answer to these problems, they would already be resolved. Government is a big part of the problem as the following linked video indicates:

 

Nonprofit corporations, by definition, exist not to make money but to fulfill one of the purposes recognized by federal law: charitable, educational, scientific, or literary. Under state and federal tax laws, however, as long as a nonprofit corporation is organized and operated for a recognized nonprofit purpose and has secured the proper tax exemptions, it can take in more money than it spends to conduct its activities. In other words, your nonprofit can make a profit.

 

Transparency also pertains to hospitals, doctor visits and clinics. Where else are we expected to buy something and learn the price afterwards? If someone needs an MRI, they should know what that will cost up front, and be able to compare providers and select the best price. Between the provider and the insurance company, the patient doesn't know what their costs are until they get their bill.

 

In 1988, under Reagan or Bush Sr? Obamacare was REALLY powerful to be screwing up things before it even had been conceptualized! Aamazing, huh? Yeah right, as if you HAD credibility before, that POSITIVELY tears it, certainly less then the zero you started with.....

And the rest is utter CRAP, because before the ACA, ALL insureres, made it STANDARD PRACTICE, to review EVERY policy associated with a new expensive claim, finding ANY possible reason to deny coverage that the customer had PAID for. It was COMMONPLACE and practiced by ALL the companies. There are VOLUMES of case law on the matter. That's how well you freakin' "free market" works with health care, it doesn't.

Modern medicine is not like other products, there is no magic "free market" solution that will EVER work. It's pure fantasy on the part of conservatives. It is antithetical to the very Hippocratic Oath as well.

BTW the LHOP barter thing y'all think you understand AIN'T how it actually worked back then either. It was SOCIALIZED yep, you heard right. The town mostly paid

I know facts are incovenient to your rhetoric, but, yeah....

 

Exactly, because CEOs can legaly set any salary for themselves and their executives at any level they like. It just has to be pocketed, can't go to shareholders. Awesome way to game the system huh? Only better scam going are churches.

 

Couldn’t agree more about the scam churches are allowed to pull off.

 

The right wing alleges to be for capitalism.

let's use enough socialism to solve simple poverty to ensure full employment of capital resources in our market based economy.

 

If you take a look at health care treatments and tests that aren't normally covered by insurance you find exactly that sort of transparency. You'll also find the prices for such things are often far less than similar insurance covered alternatives. My daughter knew exactly how much her corrective eye surgery would cost and used cost as part of the criteria for choosing her treatment. I recently wanted a Coronary Artery Calcium Scan done. This is a CT scan that anyone over the age of about 40 should have periodically and it usually isn't covered by insurance. The radiology lab where I had it done gave me a price of 110 dollars before I had it done. The same place charged more than 5 times that for an insurance covered CT scan earlier in the year and didn't disclose the price prior to the test.

 

bump thread for hypocrisy!.....When someone isnt familiar with Medicaid I guess random reminders are needed for the socialist on this board?!!!!

 

Your obsession with me is noted.

 

Socialism alone creates poverty on a grand scale.
Socialism with capitalism is a very inefficient dangerous way to end poverty..

 

The sad part is they don’t actually know why they don’t like Obamacare. The big reason for that is because they’ve been told not to like it and instead of doing their own research, they just parrot what they’ve been told.

 

This is the system we had in America after WWII until the 1960s. It left millions uninsured for healthcare. There are numerous problems with this system, but just to give a quick response. . .Insurance companies would have a long list of diseases or health issues they would refuse to cover right up front. Then, matching the system we work under today, insurance companies would always have the last word on a patient's treatment rather than the doctor, & their final say would be based on finances rather than a patient's needs. Thirdly, insurance companies would be free to charge whatever they want for coverage, with no one having the power of oversight. Lastly, for this post, health insurance needs to become a national entity & open to everyone based on citizenship rather than employment. Our current system fails us whenever the primary patient is unemployed, & often those are the times when they are most vulnerable & susceptible to disease. A national healthcare system would eliminate all the above problems.

 

Good point. The 2020 election really brought out how prevalent this problem is--& not only on the topic of Obamacare. I have been literally astonished at the number of Americans who fit into this category. It's alarming.

 

This only reason we are even having this discussion is the record levels of illness due to consumption of our subsidized Standard American Diet. (SAD)

It starts with removing all subsidies for food that contributes to illness. People get fat and when symptoms show, we give them subsidized meds to mask symptoms so they can continue their bad habits. You want me to pay to keep overweight people comfortable? Either pay for their own bad habits or work it off doing something that will make them healthier. How about them paying with miles on a treadmill?

Obamacare was good as it gave us an example of how record profits for pharm companies does not equal a healthier society. Going full Medicare for all will only accelerate illness and get us to the point of it being unsustainable sooner.

Since Obamacare, my rates skyrocketed. I pay $27K for my family of 3.

Good topic. What are we going to do when there are not enough healthy people in the work force to pay for this mess?

 

The fact is it doesn’t matter what we do with health care because we the people are the problem. Too many people are lazy and as a result are obese. With obesity comes many expensive health issues. Being healthy and in shape takes work. I get it...it’s much easier to not exercise 5 days a week. It’s much easier to grab a takeout every night than it is to cook healthy meals every night. So as a result obesity related illnesses cost billions in health care costs. As a result our health insurance goes up. Gee, go figure.