socialism ain't free stuff

Or, you could just admit you were wrong.

 

But the thing is that poor people get a lot more out of government welfare systems, than they pay in taxes. If they were getting exactly the same, then there would be no point having the taxes.

 

Apart from the words, do you have any evidence to support such a specious claim, or are you merely drawing on your vast pool of "common knowledge"?

 

Missed by a mile. But I get how you have to measure everyone else by your own sorry predicament.

 

Why yes they get more than they pay. That is why its called welfare. It is a social support program. Do you have any sense of what its for or why its universal within all rich democratic nations (even some of the poorer ones).

 

Which makes your bitching all the more ironic.

 

And yours was about yours and mine. Go figger.

 

Yet another stab in the dark and another miss by a mile. You definitely have a talent for it.

 

Its generally available in democratic nations because giving people free money is a great way for politicians to get elected. Unfortunately democratic nations tend to get weighed down with high taxes, high debt, high regulations, high unemployment, and low growth.

 

Oh please. The notion that social programs are all a political plot to win votes is one of the stupidest bits of partisan bumpersticker agiprop around. It has emotional appeal, sounds credible given politicians and ignores actual reality. Perfect.

And naturally it explains why all those free give aways have weighed down the richest most powerful nation in human history.

 

The richest most powerful nation in the world has seen a decline in GDP growth decade by decade and is probably going to lose its #1 status in the next few decades. Politicians are primarily concerned with getting elected and they know that promising people new programs that will financially benefit voters is a good way to get votes. Wonder why our national debt and deficit are so high and Republicans will drive up the debt, even though the act like deficit hawks when they aren't in power? Because borrowing money to pay for new toys is a lot easier and popular than actually paying for it in taxes.

 

Yes, that's exactly what single payer healthcare, housing, and welfare is.

Perhaps you should check your own understanding of simple definitions.

 

Sales tax.

100 billion dollars spent on illegal immigrants on welfare and you think their "sales tax" is some kind of offsetting benefit.

 

If socialism is getting what you paid for in taxes, how about we just get rid of the middle man?

I keep my money and then we're in socialist utopia!

 

It's a shame that your reaction is so low brow. Why not try and critique what I said? Definition of a public good? Yep, the 2 characteristics of non-rivalry and non-excludability. The consequences? Free riding and under provision by the private sector. Both reflect how you cant stop a free lunch (with an additional person benefitting at zero cost)

 

Tell me again how much money you've made and how you just love paying high taxes and helping the poor.

Forums are filled with you highly successful people that just can't give away enough of their money helping those less fortunate than themselves.
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Who passed the last house budget?
Funny how your post only mentioned one political party. Meanwhile the entire Dem platform for 2020 is free **** for everyone

 

Tell me how much money you e made and how you just love paying high taxes again?

 

Yes I know, you are highly successful and just love redistribution of your wealth.

 

Try not to wander off the path here. We are discussing the consumption of federal programming they don't pay taxes against. Those services, become free to them. It costs the rest of us, for sure, and we get almost zero return for it. But those folks receiving those payments surely do. The only outcome we generally get is wrapped dependence, and the need for more free stuff that the rest of us have to subsidize. That's about it.

 

Both parties hand out free stuff to their voters one way or another. Republicans do it by borrowing money to cut taxes and raise spending to stimulate the economy, democrats just directly give people more government benefits.

 

Both have us $75 T in the hole

 

from each according to their will and to each according to their ability

 

My understanding is the opposite, illegal immigrants pay into federal programs they're not eligible for. At the state level, southern border states in particular, you do have a higher dependency than the revenue generated. But a similar argument can be made about Walmart workers... You're being lied to, our foreign policy has a lot to do with the oppressed working class being marginalized in their own countries. The open borders lobby is headed by corporate interests, the chamber of commerce, fortune 500 conglomerates... but you have your dogma to tend to.

 

Cutting taxes isn't "free stuff". What you earn was never someone else's to begin with. It's just less "free stuff" for the .Gov.