Another useless Middle East War???????

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  1. Badaboom

    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ...Because he doesn't want to start a war?
     
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    I dont believe this, and nor do most intelligent people.

    Trump would love nothing more than an excuse to blow something up. I bet he was the kind of kid who taped firecrackers to dog tails, and blew up frogs.
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet he hasn't unlike the previous peace prize winning president.
     
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    There's a reason for EPA regulations in addition to environmental reasons. SAFETY. 'Fear mongering' is far from facing the stark reality that less regulations = less safety. Do you understand that the effects of the relaxed EPA regulations in the coal industry alone are predicted to cause 1,400 more deaths.
    https://fxn.ws/2FzU9gH #FoxNews

    [snip] A similar analysis by the E.P.A. of the existing rules, which were adopted by the Obama administration, calculated that they would prevent between 1,500 and 3,600 premature deaths per year by 2030, and would reduce the number of school days missed by 180,000 annually.[/snip]

    So, congratulations on not caring about the environment or your fellow Americans, just like your president doesn't.

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    Massive explosion at refinery in Philadelphia: reports
    A massive fireball lit up the night sky in South Philadelphia early Friday in what was apparently an explosion at a local refinery. Early reports gave the location as 31st Street and Passyunk Avenue, not far from the city’s sports complex.
     
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    Or someone talked him off the ledge. Be interesting to hear - I'm sure it will be leaked in the next few days.
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe. It will also depend on the spin the media put on it. They're expert at manipulating and "selecting" information these days
     
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    Odd to say about someone that put us in this position to start with.
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump mined tankers and shot down a drone?
     
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    Ah yes, guesses and false equivalencies. Not surprised.
     
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    There is not a wisp of evidence that what you say is true. It is a pure partisan talking point based on nothing.
     
  11. ibobbrob

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    Oh, Mueller found. He did find it curious but not enough proof to make a case in court. He said that Trump is not exonerated.
    Why would Trump be invited to a Russian businessman's birthday party? Not for love, yes.? Y'all keep denying while our country goes down the tubes.
     
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    I defend his critics if the criticism is warranted. I criticize his fuffnik defense if that defense is BS. Yes, absolutely.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Prosecutors never exonerate anyone, they either find guilt or not. Nothing in the OLC states Mueller could not list crimes but Mueller, unlike the first part, punted for politics since he could not name any crimes.
     
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    I'd bet Putin talked him off the ledge. Moscow and Tehran are military allies in the conflicts in Syria and Iraq and partners in Afghanistan and post-Soviet Central Asia.

    Trump got himself wedged between a rock and a hard place once he destroyed the Iran nuclear deal. He did it for one reason only, to spite Obama. That's the long and short of it all. But his friend Vlad doesn't give a damn about Trump's reasons for obliterating a deal that was working, he does however, give a damn as to what lengths Trump will go following the advice of his hawkish National Security Advisor, John Bolton. When it comes right down to it, Trump is indebted to Putin and he's going to dance to Putin's tune -- 'or else'.
     
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    Mueller was not a prosecutor. He was the leader of the investigation of Russian interference in our election.
     
  16. Hoosier8

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    LOL, of course he is. He produced many indictements. You must not be from this country.
     
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    There is a well-known police interrogration technique, almost certainly known to everyone posting here, called "Hard-cop, Soft-cop".
    Although one hesitates to attribute the possesion of a deliberate strategy to the man, I get the impression Mr Trump believes he's playing both roles in negotiations with difficult partners.

    Although his character is execrable, this doesn't mean that Trump couldn't do some very good things re. American foreign policy, given the sort of understanding he hinted at before his election.

    A Democrat in the office of President has to fear being made to seem too soft on our enemies, real and imaginary. A nasty old Republican has much more leeway to do sensible things.

    Thus Richard Nixon, who was not a nice man, was able to do the right thing toward China. For two decades, the Chinese were held up as the great bogeyman, even worse than the Russians. "If we don't stop them commonists in Veetnam, we'll be fightin' 'em on the beaches of California!" How often did I hear that.

    But Nixon and his wise advisor Mr Kissinger (also not really a nice man, read Christopher Hitchens' The Trial of Henry Kissinger) did the math, did the geo-political calculations, and realized China -- although domestically worse than Russia -- was simply not the frightening, expansionist, powerful enemy that they had been portrayed as to the American people.

    So they just upturned 25 years of American foreign policy, recognized China, and the rest is history. Had a liberal tried to do that ...

    So we must hope that, way down deep in the seething id-dominated ego of our President (he has no super-ego) there is a Machiavellian plan to frighten our enemies and satisfy the domestic war-machine by publically vowing
    “I will do such things—
    What they are I know not, but they shall be
    The terrors of the earth!”
    and then doing a deal.

    Let's hope so.
     
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    They bombed our Marines in Beirut. 200+ dead.

    They’ve been killing Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan for decades.
     
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    He is not a prosecutor in this situation. As Director of the FBI he didn't prosecute. He is in charge of an investigation--nothing more. Get it, yet?
     
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    He wasn't director of the fbi...
     
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    Put it this way.Americans hsvr no business being in Afghanistan, Beirut or Iraq.No one invited you.No one likes occupying force.Historically.
     
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    9/11 made Afghanistan fair ply.
    Beirut was a UN mission
    Iraq was also a UN mission in 1993
     
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    We were in Afghanistan because that’s where the 9/11 attacks came from.

    Iraq was financing terror against Israel, our ally.

    It’s the Iranians attacking Americans in the Middle East. We haven’t invaded Iran. It’s none of their business what we do in Afghanistan.
     
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    Name an unwarranted criticism of Trump which you criticized for being unwarranted.
     
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    The Saudis financed terror in Syria and Iraq.

    when do we attack them?
     

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