John Adams on Independence: Celebrate with "Devotion to God"; with "Pomp and Parade...Guns..."

Give me a break dude. Where the hell do you think the money comes when countries like the U.S. offer humanitarian aid to other countries in times of need? You most likely don't like it, but it's our money paid in taxes.

 

Precisely what we anti-war patriots when right wing hero invaded Iraq and engaged in ''regime change'' without approval of Iraqis. As Ben Ferencz said he should have been subjected to a Nuremberg trial.

 

Check out the lefties hoping for rain on the 4th of july parade.

 

Our Founders were remarkable people.

 

Notice how Trump celebrating the 4th really triggers the left.

 

tRump is a scumbag and nothing like the Founding Fathers. All he has done is take the 4th of July celebration in DC and made it about himself.

 

Their reaction would be, "Who the hell among us really thought that we would still exist two hundred plus years later and be the world's sole super power to boot . . . and all because we decided to keep a standing army after all?"

 

I don't know if Trump did this or not, but ... if he were smart, he'd invite all the Democratic representatives, and especially the hard-left ones, to come and join him on the platform. When it came time to say the Pledge of Allegiance, some of them would 'take a knee'. It would make great television.

 

We live in interesting times indeed; to go from Barack Obama the useless Affirmative Action nation-hating and race agitating president to Trump who's the patriotic Kardashian president . . . and Trump's actually the better and more effective of the two.

 

And then you'd wake up and realize it was all just a dream.

 

Oh boy, are you in for a rude awakening.

 

You mean like when Robert Mueller finds Trump guilty of collusion with the Russians? Oh wait . . . he didn't. Anyway; at least Trump appears to care about this nation . . . which is more than Barack Obama managed to do.

 

Its subtle, but its there.

 

tRump cares about himself and he's a phony patriot. People who have been around tRump claim he has no core values. tRump's grandfather tried to return to Germany with a fortune made from whore houses and horse meat and they refused to take him back, saying he left to avoid military service. That's how the tRumps ended back in NYC.

Be proud.

 

Trump's horrible personality is a great gift to the Left. I haven't seen any evidence that this man considers his country in anything other than an instrumental way -- "how can it benefit me?" His victory was an indictment of the Republican leadership.

But ... it's also the case that the Left is undergoing a rapid change. Or, to be more precise, the ideas of the extreme Left are moving into the Democratic mainstream, and would-be Democratic leaders are having to try to balance between their traditional supporters -- ordinary Americans who do NOT hate their own country ... and this new, metastasizing growth.

What we desperately need is a new political leadership -- which might come from both parties -- which will

(1) deal with the economic problems that ordinary Americans face, which means throwing off the dogma that the pure free market will take care of everything ---
and
(2) radically re-orient American foreign policy so that we are not continually fighting or coming near to fighting foreign wars.
This will require a sober, Henry Kissenger-like reappraisal of China, and an attempt at forming a partnership with her.

 

And may they be terrified on this Blessed Day!

 

My weapon is a Sig M11A1 or P226 which has taken no lives but I still think will far better protect me and my entire family, as opposed to you throwing a pen/ipod at an aggressor.

 

Your argument for a return to establishment ways of doing things just doesn't fly.

 

Thank you for proving my point.

That's not "humanitarian" at all. That is a government stealing money from the governed and using it for however they see fit. If a thief take your money and donates it to The Salvation Army that's not humanitarian.

If you want to commit a humanitarian act, shelter a homeless family in you house until they get on their feet, donate to a worthy cause. No government can commit a humanitarian act, only people can.

 

I don't understand your argument... could you elaborate?

 

Don't focus on the motivation. Governments are not collective people. They don't have emotions, humanitarian or otherwise.
Consider the following situation: the government takes your money and uses it to fight a war overseas. This may or may not be a good idea -- but if you grant your government the right in principle to take your money to fund a military and then to decide where it will fight -- then you have effectively granted it the right to take your money to, say, spend it to achieve the same aims overseas, but without shooting people.

Case in point: if you grant that the government had the right to tax us to finance World War II, then how can you say it had no right to keep taking your money to finance the Marshall Plan? The Marshall Plan was not an act of selfless charity, but was explicitly motivated to get Europe re-started economically so that it wouldn't go Communist.

So: are you against, on principle, the government taking your money? If not, all we can do is argue about the wisdom of how it spends it. Some overseas wars, and non-military aid, may be justified, others not. It becomes a pragmatic question.

The same goes for money spent domestically. If you admit that the government has the right to take your money to pay policemen and the National Guard to suppress a violent riot, then you admit that it has the right to take your money to spend on projects that prevent violent riots. Again, the wisdom of doing this in each case -- suppressing a riot, funding a jobs project -- is another matter.

 

Absolutely. I do not consent to be governed.

 

Okay, a consistent position.
What's your view, if you have one, on another topic of discussion here, 'Anti-Fa'. I think they claim to be anarchists. But perhaps not of your persuasion?

 

I'm against farmers getting subsidized for not growing a product.

 

Yes, I know that.

What does that have to do with this thread.