March for Our Lives announces sweeping gun control proposal

"The plan calls for raising the age to buy a gun from 18 to 21, creating a national licensing and gun registry, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines as well as implementing a mandatory gun buyback program."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mar...eeping-gun-control-proposal/story?id=65098534

Thoughts and prayers are not enough. Action needs to be taken.

 

You're going to need a lot of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines to make this happen.

 

Interesting how there are no calls to just raise the age on some of them.

No, no, they want the WHOLE slice of pie, they'd never settle for that.

 

And if that doesn't work?
Or rather we should say when that doesn't work.

I see a pattern here. "Action" being taken. No result. More "action". Still no result. Keep demanding more action until you get closer to your real goal.

But you can't just throw the frog into boiling water or he'd jump out. You'll just slowly raise the temperature while the frog is still in there, and he'll be boiled alive before he realizes what's happening.

 

Lots if you are an anti-gun collectivist pushing socialism. Make your political opponents foot the billl.

 

More info on their plan for America:

"The key elements of a national gun and ammunition licensing system would include:

"A multi-step approval process, overseen by a law enforcement agency, that requires background checks, in-person interviews, personal references, rigorous gun safety training, and a waiting period of 10 days for each gun purchase. Licenses would be renewed every year upon successful completion of annually refreshed requirements in the above areas. In the process, a national registry of firearms sales would be created to make gun owners responsible for their weapons and hold them accountable when those weapons are used in a crime. Our licensing system would also include the ability to disarm individuals who become a danger to themselves or others.

"Annual licensing fees for anyone who wants to obtain a national gun and ammunition license. Gun violence has indirect and direct costs of hundreds of billions of dollars each year, and any responsible gun owner would pay into the national licensing system for the ability to possess and use firearms. In addition, we would impose higher fees on the bulk purchase of firearms and ammunition, which have been predicates to the misuse of firearms.

"A higher standard for gun ownership, which would start with raising the minimum age for gun possession to 21....

"A limit of one firearm purchase per month.

"A prohibition on any and all online firearm and ammunition sales or transfers, including gun parts.

"A requirement to safely store firearms, including implementing national standards for locking devices on guns.

"A requirement to report guns that are lost or stolen to local law enforcement within 72 hours.

"A federal ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. It’s simple: weapons of war that enable more casualties during mass shootings should not be allowed on our streets and in our communities. We’ve debated this for decades and it’s time to get it done.

"A federal policy to effectively disarm gun owners who have become a risk to themselves or others. For example, Extreme Risk Protection Order (ERPO) laws give families and law enforcement a civil remedy to disarm individuals who are a danger to themselves or others; a 2018 study found that a Connecticut law similar to ERPO was associated with a 14% reduction in suicides. We need a federal version of these policies – and we need to support states in training and implementation.

"A national gun buy-back and disposal program. There are an estimated 256-393 million civilian-owned firearms in the United States, which means there are more guns than people in the U.S. In order to operationalize new laws like an assault weapons ban and a higher standard of gun ownership, we need to implement a federal gun buy-back program that facilitates compliance with new laws and provides economic incentives for gun owners to responsibly reduce their gun inventory. All government-purchased gun inventory would be destroyed. The intended goal: a reduction of our domestic firearm stock by at least 30%. To be clear: the implementation of an assault weapons ban should be a full mandatory buy-back of assault weapons, but we would also create programs to encourage voluntary civilian reduction of handguns and other firearms. Evidence indicates that a national gun buy-back program can itself help reduce gun violence; in fact, Australia’s national gun buy-back program was associated with as much as a 57% reduction in firearms deaths."
https://marchforourlives.com/peace-plan/

 

Every bit of that crap is unconstitutional on its face so it's not going to happen.

All you hoplophobes are the most intellectually dishonest people ever encountered. Be honest enough to say you want all guns banned.

 

Thoughts and prayers will do more than those stupid ideas. Thoughts and prayers do more than our best ideas.

 

"It's not a plan that's looking to get Democrats or Republicans elected. It's looking to get Americans that are morally just leaders elected that care about people dying on a daily basis across the country.... What is not going to get us out of this issue is stigmatizing mental health more.... People that are mentally ill are significantly more likely to be the victims of gun violence rather than the perpetrators. We never hear about the root causes of gun violence which are injustice and we hope that this plan can help address those things in the first place.... If mass incarceration solved our issues... gun violence wouldn't be a problem when we have the highest prisoner population in the world.... What I hope we can understand is that we need actual federal policy and a plan. Universal background checks is not enough and we need to realize that what the framers did not intend the Second Amendment to be was an issue that ended up taking 40,000 American lives annually. We need to realize that we need to properly interpret it because up until D.C. v. Heller the Second Amendment was not interpreted the way it is currently."



Powerful words.

 

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED " good night.

 

"creating a national licensing and gun registry"

Not going to happen. State law here doesn't allow that, neither does the Constitution. I will be an outlaw if it comes to that, and many of my fellow citizens feel the same way.

 

None of this is possible without an amendment to the constitution.

 

The attempts at register of “assault rifles” in NY and Mass have had but around 10% compliance despite the being caught with a unregistered one being a felony violation.
All the registration requirement accomplished was creating 1000’s of potential felons at the stroke of a pen which, I suspect was one of the objectives.

 

Good for them to stand up for what they believe. The problem for me is they are calling for a different “interpretation” of the amendment.

They also assume that whichever anti-individual right interpretation they prefer was the only interpretation prior to Heller. This is patently untrue. The interpretation accepted by the majority in Heller, often referred to as the “standard” interpretation, has been around longer than either of the two competing—and mutually inconsistent—anti-individual right theories (the “state’s right” and the “collective individual militia only right” interpretations). But no amount of age or dust collecting on an interpretation has any relevance if the interpretation itself is fraudulent.

And if these young people would do a little research, they would learn that in their haste to enable government to deny any individual RKBA beyond total government control, each of these anti-individual right interpretations reads the Constitution in conflict with itself.

We have had this discussion before, my friend.

Both interpretations are illegitimate. Period. They are nothing more than false inventions created for the sole purpose of denying the individual citizen a constitutional right. The clearest evidence of this is how the “state’s right” interpretation reads the 2nd Amendment in conflict with the 9th and 10th Amendments, and how both the “state’s right” and—in particular—the “collective individual militia only right” interpretation read the 2nd Amendment to be in hopeless conflict with Article I Section 8 of the Constitution. Even the proponents of these interpretations in the minority of the Heller court opinion cannot explain the conflict their interpretation creates. In fact, they never even tried. They would rather waive their hand and tell us "these aren't the droids you're looking for."

My takeaway from reading what was quoted is this. Both of these individuals are very sincere in their belief that they are correct. They openly admit that an individual right stands between them and their goal. And their belief in their own “correctness” is so great that they have no qualms in openly calling for judges to reinterpret this individual right to destroy it and remove it as an obstacle to reaching their goal.

When a discussion starts with a call to reinterpret the Constitution to destroy and remove an individual right, then why is it so difficult to understand our reticence to engage such people in a dialogue?

If every answer begins with the surrender of an individual right, then how can a man or woman who claims this is the only solution expect to be taken at face value or trusted by those who believe individual rights are to be protected?

When they are either unwilling or unable to acknowledge that their preferred interpretation is so fraudulent that it ties the Constitution into a knot—when their goal is so important to them that they are willing to reads the Constitution in conflict with itself to achieve it—or worse still demonstrate that they are blissfully ignorant of how it does so—then why should they expect to be taken at face value when they claim to have the proper way to resolve our social problems?

Look. This is not a declaration of resignation to any social problem you believe my country has. It is merely a statement asserting that all attempts to solve these problems must respect the rights secured to the individual citizen. The end cannot justify the means. With that said, I welcome constructive dialogue that also respects my rights.

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“The great ideals of liberty and equality are preserved against the assaults of opportunism, the expediency of the passing hour, the erosion of small encroachments, the scorn and derision of those who have no patience with general principles, by enshrining them in constitutions, and consecrating to the task of their protection a body of defenders.” Justice Benjamin Cardozo, The Nature of the Judicial Process, Lecture II, 1921.


“Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.” Justice Brandeis, explaining why he could not condone the government's use of information in a criminal case that was obtained from the use of a wiretap which in his opinion violated the Fourth Amendment, in Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 479 (192 (Dissenting opinion).

 

There are getting bolder by the day, a group March for Our Lives formed after the Parkland shooting revealed their plan for gun control in the U.S.

It calls for the elimination of one third of the guns in the U.S., a total ban on semi-automatic guns, severe restrictions on ownership including licensing with steep fees and annual renewals to offset the costs of gun violence, one on one sit down interviews with law enforcement before the issuance of a license.

Modifying the USSC allowing only anti-gun justices to serve on the court.

They are also proposing automatically registering everyone at the age of 18 into the Peace Corps for Gun Violence a group that would lobby for stronger restrictions on gun ownership.

They are also proposing strong controls on law enforcements use of guns because cops kill too many young innocents.

Here is their manifesto read and prepare to push back beginning with the 2020 elections.


1.

CHANGE THE STANDARDS OF GUN OWNERSHIP

Advocate and pass legislation to raise the national standard for gun ownership: a national licensing and registry system that promotes responsible gun ownership; a ban on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, and other weapons of war; policies to disarm gun owners who pose a risk to themselves or others; and a national gun buy-back program to reduce the estimated 265-393 million firearms in circulation by at least 30%.

2.

HALVE THE RATE OF GUN DEATHS IN 10 YEARS

Mobilize an urgent and comprehensive federal response: declare a national emergency around gun violence and announce an audacious goal to reduce gun injuries and deaths by 50% in 10 years, thereby saving up to 200,000 American lives.

3.

ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE GUN LOBBY AND INDUSTRY

Hold the gun lobby and industry accountable for decades of illegal behavior and misguided policies intended to shield only themselves; reexamine the District of Columbia v. Heller interpretation of the Second Amendment; initiate both FEC and IRS investigations into the NRA, and fully repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.

4.

NAME A DIRECTOR OF GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION

Appoint a National Director of Gun Violence Prevention (GVP) who reports directly to the President, with the mandate to operationalize our federal goals and empower existing federal agencies such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), the Department of Health and Human Services, and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) – agencies that have all been structurally weakened by the gun lobby. The National Director of GVP would begin by overseeing a down payment of $250 million in annual funding for research by the CDC and other federal agencies on gun violence prevention.

5.

GENERATE COMMUNITY-BASED SOLUTIONS

Fully fund targeted interventions addressing the intersectional dimensions of gun violence, including community-based urban violence reduction programs, suicide prevention programs, domestic violence prevention programs, mental and behavioral health service programs, and programs to address police violence in our communities.

6.

EMPOWER THE NEXT GENERATION


Automatically register eligible voters and mail voter registration cards to all Americans when they turn 18. Create the “Safety Corps,” a Peace Corps for gun violence prevention. The younger generations are disproportionately affected by gun violence. They should have a say in how their country solves this epidemic.

We don’t have to live like this: in fear for our lives and our families. The federal government has failed in its responsibility to protect the safety and well-being of the public with regard to the nation’s gun violence epidemic. The time for comprehensive and sweeping reform is now. We need ambitious leadership throughout the whole of government to stand in opposition to the gun lobby and industry in order to secure a peaceful America for generations to come.

https://marchforourlives.com/peace-plan/

 

The whole story is here.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-gcas-take-off-their-gun-banning-mask.560757/

 

The younger generation.

Automatically register eligible voters and mail voter registration cards to all Americans when they turn 18. Create the “Safety Corps,” a Peace Corps for gun violence prevention. The younger generations are disproportionately affected by gun violence. They should have a say in how their country solves this epidemic.

Basically Antifa to kick doors and take guns, of course that's going to work well, but trust me they will try and use the fresh pile of young dead bodies cause by such to push for more gun controls.

These people are sick to the core.

 

Maybe they missed the part where FL now is endorsing armed teachers.

 

I can see how all of this helps criminals, but how will this help good people?

 

It's not designed to, the anti-gun cause needs gun deaths to exist.