Corona Virus Update

The only time to be prepared for the future is now.

We're you ever a Boy Scout? Were you ever in the military?

"Be Prepared" doesn't mean "wait until disaster strikes".

We have data from all western nations showing how COVID grows. There is no justificaytion for not believing what US experts are saying about the US.

 

I hope that works, but there is no actual data based study that shows that.

You're wrong about China. We actually got genomic samples in December. They gave the rest of the world, including us, rapid response.

The problem is that we had no plan and had a presient who stated that news that this was real were "fake news".

Blaming this on China is not even slightly justified.

And, suggesting that ANYTHING they did related to Asian desires for us to suffer are just plain hate speech.

 

I think that is inhumane. We don't just leave people to die in the streets here if we can possible avoid it. I can't imagine the thought of just leaving our elders to die, gasping for air.

 

Bacteria and viruses are the major driving forces in our evolution. We wouldn't be where were are without them.

 

Thing is, we can't avoid it. Whether we flatten the curve or not, we're going to lose a substantial part of our American family. And I do feel that loss. But we can choose to have an economic engine work for us during the aftermath, or have to tackle fixing the economy ontop of recovering from the virus's damage.

 

There is no evidence that travel restrictions (there was no ban) made ANY difference in the number or severity of cases in the USA.

Before those restrictions were put in place, there had already been 300,000 entries from people coming from China.

Also, previous flu related travel restrictions were judged to have made no difference.

These things grow exponentially. So, starting with a low number doesn't make as much difference as one might think. The real issue is what we do here in the USA.

Also, Trump told BS after BS about this - claiming he was early (when HSS had already consistently recommended travel restrictions), claiming Dems objected (which is BS), etc.

Beyond that, Trump was broadcasting that COVID was not a risk that anyone had to do anything about. AND, he held that position for many weeks.

As for China, they got us not just the news, but genomic samples very early. We got rapid response from the Chinese government - which was upset at the local government enougy to remove them from offices they held.

Blaming this on China is BS and could easily slow their cooperation that we absolutely need when these problems arise. The problem is our handling of it in the USA, NOT China's reporting.

 

This is bull.

Allowing our hospitals to overflow absolutely will cause more deaths.

You must be pretending that our hospitals can't help people survive.

 

Most people are starting to listen to experts - even if all they've done so far is watch Fox and Trump.

 

It is time to stop accepting incompetence and lies on this topic.

If you can show where I'm wrong, I'd appreciate that.

 

Yes, they're listening. That's not the issue. The issue is A: It's general ineffectiveness towards its stated goals and B: The damage incurred from this strategy.

 

The cites I post are checked out and I read news from numerous sources.

That includes when I cite the WSJ, Trish Reagan, Hannity, Rusho and the rest (not that the WSJ is as horrible as the rest of that list).

 

~ This sounds like a testimonial to "The Power Of Negative Thinking ". ´

 

I've not heard anything from ANY experts on this topic that agree with you on this.

Please cite an expert in communicable disease who agrees with you.

 

25 million Californians projected to get coronavirus, Gov. Gavin Newsom says. Over half the state's population projected to be infected by the COVID-19 virus in eight weeks, governor says

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-coronavirus-numbers-newsom-trump-15144169.php

But Newsom says that figure doesn’t take into account “mitigation factors” to contain the virus, mostly taken in the SF Bay Area and Fresno. Still, it makes you wonder if all the economy-destroying measures will really work.

 

I posted what experts are saying.

I don't believe in "The power of ignorance".

There are times when the truth turns out to be important.

 

~ Gavin Newsome is an idiot. That is why he is governor of California and not Texas, Wyoming or Tennessee .

 

True. A lot will depend on how serious people are in executing the measures, too.

We do have evidence from other countries which have smoothed out the curve.

It takes a while, as those who get infected aren't symptomatic for a couple weeks. So what we see has to do with what we were doing at least two weeks ago - quite possibly longer, as people don't show up at the hospital until they actually have significant systems.

Plus, we still have almost no testing. Here, we've opened up to include testing for first responders who were likely exposed.

 

This is a COVID sight. How about moving your partisan ad hom somewere else?

 

yep, and they may save us from an alien invasion, may have already saved us, who knows

 

We have evidence from other countries that have implemented social distancing earlier that this method is effective. Plus, it's long been a standard response to pandemic.

Let's keep in mind that it can take 2 weeks for symptoms to show up and people usually don't go to the hospital until symptoms get serious. So, what we see is the result of what we were doing about 3 weeks ago.

And, we're not doing enough testing to shorten that delay.

 

Well, there's several factors at play here:

A: You're not going to completely quarantine every single individual in the US. It's just not going to happen. Hell, it hasn't even happened in China.
B: According to the papers that this is based off of, if you do loosen restrictions, there's a chance(more than probable I'd say) of a newly infected person(s) and you start this rabbit hole all over again.

It only makes sense if we are able to immunize ourselves from it, and therefore negate the need to contract it. There's no running from this virus, or flattening the curve. That reality is going to hit, sooner than later. The REAL reason China's numbers improved, is that China had a peak, then a decline on the slope and now it's steady.

We have to accept that peak. It'll hurt, a lot. But what hurts even more is this futile attempt at suppression.

 

The "economy-destroying measures" are designed to spread out the number of infections over a longer period of time so that the healthcare infrastructure has a better chance to handling the epidemic at its peak. It is not designed to substantially decrease the total number of infections.

 

The city of Vo, Italy was hit hard.

What they did is test every individual and insist on every case being quarantined.

They now have NO new cases. They stopped it cold.

The catch is not that we can't quarantine.

The catch is that we CAN NOT TEST like that.

 

You put "economy-destroying measures" in quotes, but I know the financial world like you know the law world. We've never had a situation like this, where even left-wing economists on the NYT wrote two articles on it back to back: This is like taking a cynaide pill economically. We have a suspended economy and a government that's trying to keep a pulse with inflationary 'stimulus'.

It's not whether or not it'll be destroyed, it will be. The question is how much.

 

As an initial matter, Trump's partial travel restriction for certain types of travelers is not some magic bandaid that obscures all the harm he did by repeatedly lying about the virus, downplaying its threats, contradicting health experts, touting the benefits of the virus, hampering the production of tests because he worried about the impact on his election, and dismantling the epidemic response team.

The harm of those steps are abundantly evident in the decrease of Americans that view the virus as a threat despite the number of cases and the number of mortalities surging.

Now, as for the notion that the US is going to avoid a catastrophe, it is extremely early and we have not tested enough to have even remotely close to accurate understanding of the current spread of its virus. Add on to that the fact that deaths occur an average of 20 days after infection means that we have a loooooong way to go. But if you want to compare the US against Europe, here is a chart that tracks the US against several European Countries. It starts on the day that each country hit 1000 cases.



The only country to outpace the US from 1000 to the current number of 13816 cases was Spain.