A conversation: I like Trump...convince me otherwise.

Preach brother, preach.

 

Reasons to not like Trump from
My observations of non supporter, leftists, socialists, Marxists

 

What?

 

I did not use the word 'evil' or 'mean' or even imply it. I called Trump an attention whore who breeds attention whores among in his followers. I called you a trump supporter not a follower which suggests a stronger and more personal connection that someone who just voted for or supports his administration A 'follower' is more like a groupie, or someone who is very involved in Trumps successes or failures etc.

"We have another trump supporter wanted to be convinced not to be or to vote for Biden or some such equally ludicrous notion. This is so silly. Trump is the ultimate attention whore who actually thrives on negative attention and he breeds attention whores in his followers. I can think of a half dozen political figures I have liked and admired since I first joined a political chat site. I NEVER opened up a thread asking political opponents to 'convince me otherwise' because it would be just another parlor game with me as its focus. Nobody is going to convince a trumpster by year three, not to be a trumpster. The koolaid is gone, and they have licked the glass, the spoon and the droplets on the counter.

Trumpsters should stay trumpsters until they die. I am okay with that."

Its not a flattering picture, but I did not call you an attention whore and I never said anyone had evil intent. The purpose of my question to you is to see if the reason you phrased it was because you wanted to be personally convinced. That seems very self centered to me.

Polls attempt to measure the opinion and the depth of opinion in its polling data. They will ask if you agree, or disagree, if you strongly agree or strongly disagree or do not care. Its those numbers that reflect how polarized opinion is, and its those numbers that will tell us more. They may also ask questions about how sure you are, or how likely it is that your mind may change. that is the data that is so significant on Trump. People do not budge on Donald Trump much at all.

 

The affirmative statement there being what exactly? You want people to argue that Trump is not the greatest president of your lifetime? Well that means between Bush, Obama, and him? Yeah sure he is the mightiest stooge of all he got a corporate tax cut and cut regulations. Congratulations.

 

This is what you initially wrote-"We have another trump supporter wanted to be convinced not to be or to vote for Biden or some such equally ludicrous notion. This is so silly. Trump is the ultimate attention whore who actually thrives on negative attention and he breeds attention whores in his followers. I can think of a half dozen political figures I have liked and admired since I first joined a political chat site. I NEVER opened up a thread asking political opponents to 'convince me otherwise' because it would be just another parlor game with me as its focus. I am just not that self involved."

This is what you wrote in reference to me, before you edited your post. So please, stop lying and pretending you didn't write what you wrote. You insulted and personally attacked me. Stop with the bullshit. Also, I find it funny how you claim to have not personally attacked me when you compared me to a Jonestown resident in addition to what I quoted you saying. So again, have fun with the heads of the forum, and also again if there is any fairness on this platform you should at the very least get a strike. I hope to be done with you on this subject because you are clearly in the wrong here and you are lying and trying to cover you own ass. So stop attempting to beat an already dead horse. Everyone can see that you are lying.

As far as the supposed polarization of people on trump, last time I checked the union is still intact. The sky hasn't fallen, and the world hasn't ended. We are still a country. So I don't see what your talking about. yes, there are people who don't like him. As any political figure has. But, that doesn't make him a bad president. Whether, people like you or not is beside the point. I would argue again that Lincoln was a pretty polarizing and divisive president, that doesn't mean he was a bad one!!!!

So again, I have yet to see you give me an argument that isn't purely opinion based. Try again and post it without any ridiculous arguments that are based on opinion or conjecture. Or, better yet just give up and put up a white flag...here I'll even give you a visual to help you out, because you are not going to win this one.

 

First off, I find it funny and a little astonishing that you left out Clinton. Also, as I have said time and again to other posters of this thread. Post something with some sort of amount of intellectual integrity and logic. Because, what you just posted was incredibly opinionated and full of logical fallacies. Please try again but with an actual argument.

 

You can include Clinton in the circus of mediocrity sure. If you'd like some intellectual integrity tell me which president in your lifetime has done anything to reign in the power of the executive branch to rule by edict? Which one failed to violate civil liberties based on whim? Which one did anything other than direct where the checks go? You tell me that, and I'll tell you which team's quarterback gets the cheerleader that is your adoration?

Trump is a Republican President. That's neither great or poor, good or bad, whether it is beneficial depends mostly on whether the public can afford to spend. When it can not Republican's struggle when it can thing's go smoothly. You said you are open to new ideas. Think harder.

 

1. Trump Hugging the American Flag is offensive . Burning the flag, not standing for the National Anthem to celebrate the Flag, labeling the Flag as a racist symbol and attacking people carrying the American flag , however... IS acceptable

 

2. Trump’s Hair. It’s too “orange” And orange is bad. More acceptable is multicolored hair or bleach white hair like Bernie or Joe with exception if the person is Glenn Beck or VP Pence

 

Ok, I agree with you mostly. But, I am not saying that he is perfect. I am simplying saying in a pragmatic way, that I think trump is a good president and I like him. That's it. I do agree that we do need to lower the power of the president, and lower the power of the government. But, things just are how they are. We have to go into the political scene and use a pragmatic approach to politics, at least I think so. So it appears you and I have more agreement than disagreement. However, I don't understand what it is that you are trying to say here. When you stated "Trump is a Republican President. That's neither great or poor, good or bad, whether it is beneficial depends mostly on whether the public can afford to spend. When it can not Republican's struggle when it can thing's go smoothly.", what were you saying exactly?

 

3. Trump looks too chubby when playing golf. Chubbyness is strictly reserved for leftwing personalities like Oprah Winfrey, Micheal Moore, and members of “The View” like Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg

 

I honestly can't tell are you trying to make a joke?

 

4. Trump not immediately declaring martial law in response to the Covid19 virus and using Military to scare the $&@ out of the citizens like Communist China did, is gross negligence. Just who do the American people think they are? Free individuals? That’s antiquated Classical Liberalism and is clearly interfering with the Globalist Technocracy Agenda.

 

I guess you are joking. Well if I am right, keep at it man, it's funny.

 

A wee bit trouble with the little keyboard on
My phone so u might have not seen the entire post

 

I saw the whole thing now, and it’s still funny...keep it up man.

 

A wedge goes both ways. Progressivism is rotting. Its likely that the only thing holding it together is the peer pressure on the other side of that wedge.

 

5. The 1st Lady. A Russian super model. Obviously a Russian spy set up to marry Trump by Putin.

 

I need to clarify the above statement since it might be misinterpreted by the Trump Dislikers to mean that the 1st Lady met Trump to set up a marriage between himself and Putin. That is NOT what I meant, but it could be just as valid a reason to not like Trump if it were true

 

6. Trump listens to Alex Jones Info Wars ( according to Alex) Could be reason to unlike Trump if you are a Globalist or a reason to Impeach Trump if you are Nancy Pelosi

 

I suppose so I think Trump is a pretty typical Republican president, but when you say thing's like "good" or "great" I have to point out I don't find him to be either not because of what he says which is.. odd at times but ok. I find him to be tolerable I guess, but I wouldn't say good. Good would be addressing some of the things I mentioned previously. Great would be dismantling the two party system.

As for what I meant there both the Republican, and Democratic parties spend lots of money, and in the events of widespread economic downturn they both spend lots and LOTS of money. When this is occurs the Democratic president will simply soften the blow by saying they will raise taxes on the wealthy. This tends to satisfy, and soothe the public. Confidence stays stable and the downturn is relatively muffled in a general sense of the economy growing slowly or not growing at all, not because something is wrong with it, but because "damn regulations".

When this occurs with the Republican president they are generally operating under an aura more like "WOOOOO look at that economy suckas! We are making bank!", and they are usually the Republican model is all based around making the GDP grow faster so that more can be borrowed against it. When a crisis hits they have to spend GDP drops the markets which are almost entirely based on speculation, and confident are shattered it's like hitting a brick wall at a high speed as opposed to a moderate speed. the crash is more violent more confidence shaking to the public. particularly Republican voters who can be easily demoralized by such an event.

 

I think you might want you consider thickening your skin.

If it helps- personal attacks are a sign that you're winning the debate. If your opponents have a valid response, they'll use it. Attacks are about as close to an admission of defeat as anyone gets these days.

Im not a mod, but If I were, I would quickly tire of the constant reporting. And mods tired with me isn't a situation I would welcome.

And just in case you were hoping to get some leftys banned... most of us come here to debate them. If they all get banned, there won't be much to do...

Just some friendly advice

 

There's no need to convince you because our votes don't matter. It's just a simple truth you've yet to learn.

 

Which begs the question, what exactly do you like? You've heard all the criticisms unless you live under a rock.

• His apparent inability to go more than a few minutes at a time without lying, insulting or blaming others. This is why he is portrayed as a baby so often.
• His morality where minorities, foreigners, women and the poor are concerned.
• His tone deafness. Retweeting a meme of himself playing a violin while the world burns from coronavirus was classic.
• His fiscal irresponsibility.

Those and of course more. What we can't do is imagine what you find appealing. Specifically can you give us an example of something he has said or did that resonated with you. Not knowing that we can't really refute or confirm them and all we have to work on is emotion.

On a side note, I worked with an autistic boy when he was 5. I taught him his first sign and after he had 3 or 4 signs his ecolalia began to occur at appropriate times too. I consider that one of the greatest things in my life. His family moved away so I don't know what happened to him. Sadly they moved to New Mexico which is not one of the better places for a child with his needs. His sister also was enrolled in the program when she was 3, it was a university lab pre-school. It took us about 5 minutes to ascertain that she acted like her brother but was in fact pretty gifted and we had her playing and eating with all the other kids the first day. She stayed on as one of the role model kids in the room.