A conversation: I like Trump...convince me otherwise.

I probably was being a little sensative, you are right. sorry. I wasn’t attempting to ban anyone or cause any problems Just tired of bullshit.

 

Pelosi would have to come back to DC to impeach him again.

Pelosi: House may not reconvene until May — or longer



Bugging out in a crisis.

The last time Pelosi and Mitch McConnell had quorums on Capitol Hill, the country was already in full lockdown and Congress spent $2.2 trillion to buffer its economic impact. At that time, as at several times in recent weeks prior to that point, people urged both leaders to change their rules and allow for Congress to operate remotely. Both refused to do so, claiming that it was unnecessary and that they could be recalled if needed. Pelosi’s new position is that she won’t recall them at all.

Now we have a situation where the “people’s branch” of government has taken a powder in a national emergency. In its place are chamber leaders attempting to rule by decree in their own fashion via bogus “unanimous consent” tricks that only exacerbate the maximalist urges of both parties in negotiations. Americans didn’t elect two people to legislate all on their own.

Congress, to put it mildly, is an essential business in constitutional governance. In a national emergency, they need to show up and do their damned jobs. Doctors, nurses, the armed forces, the National Guard, police, paramedics, firefighters, and even grocery-store workers and restaurateurs are showing up to their jobs in this national emergency.

Trump should start demanding it publicly — every day, in his coronavirus briefings — by asking, “Where’s Congress?”

Is Pelosi in Washington working on the solution? No? Then she should shut the hell up until she and the rest of Congress start doing their jobs. They're not getting paid to be color commentators from the sidelines.

 

I disagree. Why don't they matter? What is your evidence?

 

The only suggestion I’d make is let the facts guide you. Do a deep dive into his business background from his first deal in NYC to the EDNY fraud suit processing through the system now. Business and legal records steer clear of editorials, opinions, and his ghost written books.

Once you’ve built that data base ask yourself if the holder of that record has the competence to manage a sidewalk lemonade stand much more these United States.

Do the due diligence, make up your own mind based on the facts, and vote your conscience. God speed.

 

Ok as a response to your first couple points...
1. All politicians lye, I find the argument of trump lying a little ridiculous because name one politician who hasn't lied. It's impossible. Also, you act like trump is the only politician in history who has "insult[ed] or blam[ed] others. Weird it's almost like he's a politician. So please, all politicians lye one way or another and attack other people politically. It's not new, it is politics. I just find this argument a little exhausted and ridiculous.
2. I don't find trump to be a racist or a sexist and I don't understand why others do. Now, my views on what makes a statement bigoted is different than others, so that's probably why. But, I don't want to open up that whole can of worms.
3. The tweeting. I find this another tired ridiculous argument. I don't give one **** about his tweeting. Obama tweeted and now trump is tweeting. I don't care. I don't really understand why others do. If you don't like his tweeting than don't view them.
4. What fiscal irresponsibility are you referring to?

As far as what I find appealing and why I like him, I will refer to a previous post from myself.

1. I mostly agree with him ideologically.
2. I have agreed with most of his policy proposals and policy ideas.(No that doesn't include the wall, I have actually always that idea was a little ridiculous).
3. I also, as a right leaning person, I have been treated poorly for my ideas and beliefs many times in the past, and I have seen others who think a similar way I do treated poorly. So when trump deals with his political opponents (and I don't think anyone would dispute this), I see a president who isn't afraid to confront the typical bullshit argument that many on the other side of the spectrum throw at republicans and other right leaning people, and instead fights fire with fire and simply doesn't just take it (unlike Romney and McCain).
4. I have yet to hear a reasonable argument to convince me other wise.

 

I have done my due diligence and I find many of the anti-trump arguments I have found are bullshit and not full of facts. Also, no disrespect to you, but I hate the phrase "vote your conscience". Like that is supposed to be the only thing to rely on when you vote. I argue it should be more on who do you agree with more.

 

Embrace stoicism. Its the ideology of heroes.

 

@MDG045

Does any of the following cast any disturbance upon the calm waters of admiration you have for Trump?

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ders-lake-house.568607/page-6#post-1071464096

If not...then there's really no other way to convince you.

 

Wow!

I was talking about Trumps incompetence

 

Stoicism is definitely a useful philosophy. I actually find the philosophy/religion of Daoism to be another interesting thought system that can definitely relax people. Also, I just want to once apologize if I caused any problems. Except that btthegreat guy, he deserved it. The others, I probably did overreact.

 

yeah, I apologize I was being a little sensitive there as I mentioned in past posts. I don't know if anyone who is monitoring the site is watching this thread unfold. But I rescind what I reported. sorry man.

 

Ok I just checked out your link, and all it did was take me to a post you made talking about how trump and other people are bad because they are rich essentially. I am simplifying what you said tremendously and I am also paraphrasing. But that was basically the argument you made.

Secondly, I don't get what that has to do with him as president. So he is and has been rich...Whoopidy ****ing doo. What does that have to do with him as president and whether or not he is a good one or not. See, most people I find who make all these anti trump arguments, and you are definitely one of them, make a argument based on flimsy logic and essentially say the equivalent of "..I don't like trump...cause...cause...he's mean.... Oh wow, I don't care if you think this, I disagree, and it's not an argument. I also find people who make these kinds of arguments ridiculous and are simply beating a dead horse at this point. Like Robert Deniro. Everytime I see him all he does is make ad-hominin attacks against Trump. By the way, if you don't know, what an ad hominin attack is, I will include in this post a link to a logical fallacy website. So anyone who reads this post, including you, can learn something about making a good argument. Because you have yet to make one. Here's the link...https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

Thirdly, Why do people think it automatically makes you a bad person if you are rich. All I really think this does when people make this argument, including you dear sir, is show your own biased bigotry to others. Specifically the rich. Also, the fact that you think that I am so closed minded and dumb that I wouldn't be able to change my mind, also only shows your bigotry to other people who think differently than you. Specifically, republicans and other trump voters. Which, if I am being honest, is probably the most hypocritical thing coming from democrats and left leaning people. Don't be bigoted they always say, but if we do it to white people, males, or anyone who thinks differently than us it's ok. So please, make a good argument that doesn't involve some sort of character assignation of the current president because A.) it's illogical and tired and nobody with a descent brain, including myself, cares and B.) It only shows your own self ignorance on this subject and C.) I have heard it all before, and can come at you with a response that will destroy your ridiculous argument. I can do this all night.

 

Thank-you for the apology it was refreshing

If you want to see the difference between competent and incompetent management look at this graph. I am an Aussie - where are we? Morrison (our PM) is a TWONK but he has listened to the experts and (mostly) done the right thing, for a conservative a bit amazing but credit where it is due



Angela Merkel is no fool in anyone’s book and look where Germany is in relation to the rest of Europe. Germany has even been taking some French patients

The one not shown and is scaring everyone is Indonesia. No lockdown, little to no testing and a vulnerable population

 

You're welcome. And also, with all due respect I fail to see what this graph is supposed to prove other than the U.S has some higher cases of Covid-19. Last time I checked, these kinds of situations are caused by a myriad of a different reasons. So I don't see how this is supposed to prove to me that trump is a bad president. Also, I don't like Angela Merkel, great politician(at least as far as I can tell), but I can't stand her.

 

Sure, all politicians, like all people tell lies, but Trump has taken his lies to extraordinary levels. I'm surprised you didn't use the standard "What about Obama saying you can keep your doctor". Note that it's over and over the same thing repeated but if you ask me to cite a Trump lie I'd say "Wait a sec while I check today's tweets." The worst thing about his seemingly pathological need to lie it is in times like now when the truth is of paramount need. Lying now results in deaths. Placing blame, usually falsely, on others does not help but gives many the impression that he is unable to be up for the job at hand and that causes worry and panic. Honestly, duct tape over his mouth every time he goes off script would save thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

The rest you are still relying of feelings that you want us to dispel. What policy(s) do you agree with? Not collecting taxes from the Uber Rich while the economy was strong causing a huge rise in the deficit? That's his jewel piece but it was highly fiscally irresponsible. Ist that one? If it is I'll explain to you the problem there.

 

but, but, orange man bad, he plays golf and stuff and loves junk food and kinky sex and Russia!!!! Mueller was right and quid pro quo and his TAXXES!!!! What about his buddy Putin and you know, RUSSSIA!!! Trump paid China to create a pandemic so he can become the KING OF AMERICA and called it a hoax to cover that up and heeeee lost the popular vote (wipes away spittle and catches breath, eyes stop spinning like a slot machine) he's just bad, he's bad, bad, bad, bad!!!!! We need a transgendered, diverse, socialist, progressive in the White House, AOC could be her VP and Ilhan Omar should be Secretary of State and...........

 

Is there anything you don't like about Trump?

 

I understand you say that, but how do you know? How do you know you won't play favorites when push comes to shove?

 

I didn't watch yesterday's but i have watched a few over the last few weeks and found him to be spot on.

 

He went bend over for the left to have their way with him so he is divisive... got it, thanks for playing

 

As you have seen so far, you aren't going to get many sincere or useful comments or discussion from LW here for a host of reasons, very few LW are on this forum to "discuss" anything, and if a few wanted to have adult discussions (I guess it could happen) they are not intellectually or logically capable, but that's not the topic.

There are many reasons not to support Trump for those who oppose his policies, I will play devil's advocate and list some since you aren't getting closer to answers of the simple question in the OP:

1. Taxes on those earning more than ~250k per year should be significantly higher than under Trump. Capital gains should be identical to the income tax rates. LW often go on about corporate tax rates, but those are passed right to the consumers, so that's a red herring.
2. Obama era environmental and Democrat/LW general energy regulatory, taxes and policy should be increased not decreased.
3. Illegal immigration should be accepted and allowed, admission of "refugee" groups from poorer or oppressed areas of the world should be increased.
4. Social spending programs should be increased at many levels.
5. Availability of voting should be increased as much as possible.

Those are just a few of the largest difference between Trump and Democrat policy, but are some of the more important ones.

 

In 99% of the cases you will get ad hominims, falsehoods (lies to the people in California), or fantasies. It is all they got.

 

Yes actually...
1. I agree he can be blunt and crass at times.
2. I never liked the idea of the wall( I always thought it was dumb.)
3 I don’t agree on principle with his decision to put tariffs on Chinese imports.
4. I actually don’t have a problem with the idea Obamacare and I didn’t think and I still don’t think it is a good idea to get rid of it.

and that’s all I can think of at the moment

 

Because I’m not a completely closed minded person who is blinded by ideology.

 

Why do you want to be convinced to not like Trump? As you are your own person you should be able to make that choice on your own.