What worked to slow the spread?

A number of things. 1) Trump’s fast response 2) states that adopted his guidelines quickly 3) whisky

 

Not even close. NYC is supposedly at around 25% exposure...about 1/3 of what herd immunity would require

 

What part of the shut down do you think made the most difference?

- Trump's response
- people learning to wash their damned hands
- restricting travel from China

And now it's time to cut the crap and the politics and the fearmongering. Nearly everywhere should at least be beginning to reopen.

This likely would have run its course even without a nationwide shutdown.

 

Mother Nature had her way, as usual. History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man.

Like every epidemic before it, Covid ran like a prairie fire and then subsided as herd immunity came into play.

Mankind was along for the ride, nothing more. Bureaucracies and bureaucrats justified their existence, the media practiced fear mongering as it always does, and life goes on.

 

Once everyone is back to work, and are within proximity of others breathing, touching more objects others touched, the test will be, will the newer victims be Republicans (who's "Freedom" means not wearing masks or washing hands) or more intelligent Democrats? I don't know if they ask people who are infected if they are intelligent or not, but they might want to start.

 

Herd Immunity has not been reached in any population.

 

Any herd immunity is better than none, and no matter the number assigned, it will benefit certain individuals and the herd, it will be a factor.

 

None of the above.

 

But then, you wouldn't know and based on who delivers the 'news' in today's world, we may never know. We do know that far more people have COVID-19 antibodies than the reported case count. We also know that COVID-19 was running rampant through California undifferentiated from the seasonal flu long before early cases hit the Northwest and were ID'd. California's case count per capita is a little over 10% of New York's and about the same as well run states like Florida. I'm going with herd immunity being a big factor.

 

The problem I see with that is Calif. has had some studies of immunity that only show a few percent have had the virus.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ount-coronavirus-infections-may-be-unreliable

 

They found in the sample in NYC that 21% had the antibodies. The one in Santa Clara showed somewhere around 15%.

Mainstream media suppresses those stories. If it turns out that the herd immunity is developing strongly, which it is, the mainstream narrative becomes revealed as fraudulent, which it is.

Your Science magazine article begins with "may". More propaganda and speculation meant to bolster a false narrative.

 

Those stories are not being suppressed, but even if those results are accurate (and serology tests are faaar from 100% accuracy at this point), then you are still well south of the ~60-70% needed to achieve herd immunity.

 

All epi curves peak and regress

 

You misplaced your decimal point in the Santa Clara sample.
2.4 to 4%.

48,000 and 81,000 people in the 2-million-strong county had contracted coronavirus at some point. At the time, the health department was reporting about 1,000 positive cases.

 

I'm going with first answer Stanford came up with:
Stanford antibody study estimates COVID-19 infected 50 to 85 times more people than testing identified in Santa Clara County
https://ktla.com/news/california/st...han-testing-identified-in-santa-clara-county/

Similar to the Climate Science department of the same cult, inconvenient research results can be career ending ,,, before careers even start.

How do you explain how a state with a population of 40 million, a state that has a revolving door to China has fewer cases than New Jersey with a population of 9 million and Massachusetts with a population of 7 million?

 

From your link:
The preliminary study, conducted by researchers at Stanford University, estimates that between 2.5% and 4.2% of Santa Clara County residents had antibodies to the new coronavirus in their blood by early April. Antibodies are an indication that a person’s immune system has responded to a past infection.

I could think of a lot of possible reasons.
Population density, mass transit, time to shut down etc... But it would only be my guess.

 

No longer sending infected people into nursing homes has helped.

Thanks, Cuomo!

 

I think Tiger King deserves some credit too. Where is Joe Exotic in an EMT jacket when we need him??

 

Yeah, or meat packers back to their infected workstations.
Thanks, Tweety.

 

You are correct. This thing was 100% political from the start. Look at the people that before the Chinese virus did nothing but post hate Trump crap and now every one of them now wants the economy to be locked up for the foreseeable future and some until a vaccine is found or Crazy Uncle Joe wins the election. One here advocated for President Trump catching the virus and dying. Another responded to a reduced death rate post and seemed to indicate that they wanted it to go up just to make their point.
On the other hand, most righties tend to embrace and accept a little danger in their daily lives. We will take the precautions that make sense to us and ignore the models that have been proven wrong every time.

I am coming to the conclusion that a small handful of the most frequent posters who advocate locking everything down for months and months and spend their days posting the same rhetoric over and over are nothing but plants.

 

You should apply the same rules to define the herd as your left-wing pollsters use to determine public opinion. A person with COVID walks into an office where 75% of the people have had the disease. After work he walks to a bar where 75% of the people have had the disease. Just as you'll likely not find a diversity of opinion by polling that street, that guy is not going to be able to spread his disease because his virus has no place to go. The virus doesn't care that two blocks down no one has the antibodies.

 

They did not have an explosion of infections until Fall and didn't even record their first Wuhan virus until February 25th. And they are going off the WHO standards of tracking COVID deaths, meaning that if a person dies and has signs of COVID, they are deemed a COVID death.

Their summer was extremely quiet and I suspect the US will also see the virus slow to that of a rapid Achatina fulica.

 

And closing schools was the WORST idea, considering the survival rate of minors is in the arena of 99.9% but the long term damage from this event to high school and college graduates will last for a millennia.

 

That makes almost no sense. The reason the virus is unlikely to spread in the area where 75% have the antibodies is because herd immunity has been reached.

 

The reasons that schools closed is not because of the threat to the children, but the threat to the parents and grandparents of those children.