Coronavirus: Florida and Texas reverse reopening as US cases pass 2.5m

So many points here are just wrong.

The flu does not rise to the level of pandemic every year and the covid-19 death numbers are absolutely crushing even the worst influenza year. In fact, if you only counted influenza deaths in the same way that covid-19 deaths are counted (i.e. actually listed on the death certificate as being a causal factor), then the single deadliest year of the influenza only killed around 15,500 Americans.

 

People don't generally test for the flu? The **** are you talking about? Yes, they do.

 

Fair enough.

 

Not really but I'll let you try.

well if we tested for it it probably would. And keep in mind we cut off the numbers at the end of the season. We don't just count them indefinitely.

Further I find the numbers highly suspect.

So a great big x to doubt on this claim.

If we counted a death as a covid-19 death only if covid-19 was the cause of death and not other circumstances then I imagine the numbers would be about the same as a flu season.

 

I don't know a person alive that is ever had a flu test.

 

Hmm? I showed the CDC's own data to prove my point.. The "official" number being repeatedly endlessly as Covid-19 deaths is not factual.. Again per their own data..

Someone with symptoms of Covid-19 and other conditions does not mean that Covid period killed them.. Someone with Terminal cancer that has Covid more then likely died from the Cancer or for that matter in part to the Chemo or radiation give as part of the treatment...

Now if they had the number and said it was Covid related that would be closer to the truth


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Sites like these are not helping.

 

“You imagine”

But every expert in the field is telling you something different to your imagination but they are wrong and your dreams are right?

 

Why? Bev
Cause they tell the truth?

let us look instead to the morbidity

Have the number of patients admitted to ICUs around the nation skyrocketed? Have hsopitals in affected areas been overwhelmed?

 

Please explain why "overwhelmed" hospitals were letting people go?

If you are aware of more then a small window of time in NY that Hospitals were overwhelmed please provide your evidence of this.

Again i quoted CDC data and explained it... You refuse to discuss it and i'm just going to get a wall of never ending questions along with a few "like" posts claiming i am "denying science"

 

...you are not serious, are you? If you show up to the doctor and complain of flu like symptoms, they have never taken a swab of your mouth and then disappeared for a while, returned, and said, yes you have the flu?

Have you just never had the flu? Or gone to the doctor with what you suspect was the flu? If they aren't doing a test before telling you that you have the flu, you need a new doctor.

 

Again, multiple points are wrong here.

The flu tests continue year round. They do not simply stop at the end of the season. The numbers drop off because the flu itself becomes less prevalent, but they still occur.

Also, the flu death estimates are based on a mathmetical modeling. If you used the same for covid-19 deaths, then you would very quickly reach the conclusion that we are currently doing an undercount of covid-19 deaths.

 

We’re these hospitals in the middle of where the virus cases were spiking?

 

I called it... You dont provide anything besides endless questions.

 

No I don

t live in your country so sometimes the rationales for what is happening is not clear

I know that rural hospitals across America have closed and more so because they halted elective surgery prematurely but then I also hear of states like Texas running out of ICU beds - so tell me which is it?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisett...s-full--then-removes-its-report/#64e0629f7a55
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...acking-icu-beds-ahead-july-4-2020-6?r=US&IR=T

Two states where hospitals suddenly altered the way the numbers were tracked for ICU admissions


Funny that

 

The medical center’s website claims in a popup that an “incomplete slide deck” was posted yesterday, and promised “new slides. . .will be released later today [and] will provide a more comprehensive and accurate description of the current status.”

One hospital in one state.. Bravo...

Your 2nd article

The Department of Health told Business Insider Wednesday that the change is in an effort to better track the more serious coronavirus cases, as some hospitals have been using ICU beds for patients who didn’t require critical care.

Gov. Ron DeSantis addressed the guideline change during a news briefing on Tuesday.

“What we are getting at is acuity. When people are going into the hospital, we want to know what per cent need ICU care and to be put on a ventilator,” DeSantis said, according to the Sentinel. “Far fewer need ventilators than what we thought at the beginning. Having lived through this for months, a case today is not the same as a case on March 30.”


Can you please read past headlines it would help stop wasting my time.

 

And if they didn't know they had it (asymptomatic) they could go out and spread it to countless others who may not be so lucky.

 

That’s crisis level. That’s New York, Lombardi sort of crisis," said Dr. James McDeavitt, the Senior Vice President and Dean of Clinical Affairs at Baylor College of Medicine. Dr. McDeavitt also serves as one the leaders of the Texas Medical Center, helping with planning for surge capacity scenarios.
https://www.khou.com/article/news/h...read/285-aad0788d-256e-4454-8e3f-87f9c7956680

 

Question...as this thing doesn't seem to be slowing down yet, if the mortality rates reach the predictions, what will your response be?

 

Does it change the fact that not enough ICU beds did / do exist at least?
Sure ... there could be here and there single cases where it is questionable if an ICU bed was really in need or not ... but hey, these are some few examples.

Major problem is that if you have not enough ICU beds and everything is full, nurses and doctors have to play god who gets an ICU bed and most likely survives then and who not and most likely dies (of course both really needing an ICU bed). Do you want to have this ... I think not...
But without restriction and lockdown right this will happen and then is the question if the 65 year old guy with Corona and really in need for an ICU bed or the 40 year old guy with heavy injuries after car accident and also in real need for an ICU bed...

 

At the Texas Medical Center in Houston, 97 percent of ICU beds were occupied on Tuesday. Twenty-seven percent of those ICU patients have COVID-19.


The normal base occupancy rate at the world's largest medical center is 70 to 80 percent.

The hospitals have contingency plans to add additional ICU beds for temporary surges. But if the number of COVID cases continues at the current rate, the TWC could fill up all of those beds in the next two weeks.


Strange that only 27% are related to Covid.. What else is going on at that hospital?

 

Per the article they are usually running at 70-80% if the beds.. If its an issue of course they should address it but its not Covid Related.

 

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/yo...e-up-41-of-all-l-a-countys-coronavirus-cases/

 

Doesn't matter. They are full.

 

Sure it matters why they are full.. Bowerbird assumed it was due to Covid which the article states it does not.... People fall for headlines and quick google searches way to often.

 

No every news caster is. I get a mixed message from experts.