Tell me the numbers are not inflated

That assumption is a controversy because it an insane crazy conspiracy theory.

 

Forgot. This hospital wear masks. To date the personnel have not caught the virus. The personnel that caught it early on caught it in Florida. Everyone is checked for a fever as they come to work. And sent home if they have one and tested. So far it is working.

Obviously these masks are helping.

 

Not where I live .

 

It could be stupidity .

The local school here is gonna go a couple days and at home via computer the rest of the week. And if it spikes go back to at home schooling.

Yet federal funds is tied to daily attendance numbers.

 

Like the OP, pure HOGWASH!!!
The actual coding for covid deaths;
COVID-19 - GUIDELINES FOR DEATH CERTIFICATION AND CODING

DEFINITION FOR DEATHS DUE TO COVID-19
A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID disease (e.g. trauma)

 

I bet you are great at reviewing books you haven't read as well. LOL!

 

Damn, sheeple get rather testy when you dare to ask questions that challenge the "official" numbers.

 

Wow. Is this across the board....do they do this everywhere or is this just a lone (mis)interpretation?

 

In Illinois at the very least.

 

I'm telling you, the numbers are not inflated significantly and is probably undercounted.

99% of the time, if someone died a couple weeks after being admitted to the hospital for covid, they died because of covid. Obviously diagnosis is never going to be 100% perfect, but that also means that many people have died of covid symptoms or died in their homes without being officially diagnosed with covid. In fact the difference between the deaths this year and previous years is much larger than the official covid death count, which means that we are probably undercounting by a lot.

 

I am, because I read them as articles on jstor.

 

You just couldn't help yourself. So you punted instead. And as a parting gift left us with the Kreskow approach to progressive engagement.. scary monster on the horizon. This is the kind of argumentation we expect from the left nowadays. It has no scientific basis, it lacks credible sources, and fails in the most basic understanding of how medical care is apportioned at the moment. The above fails in every measurable way to craft a truthful/factual basis for a conversation. And so, they run away in hopes no one will take them to task for their inability to craft a rational argument.

If I were you, I wouldn't count on TX to provide you a curative ballot option. The more folks live under the restrictions they do, the more they are going to remember which democrats were responsible for it. It's already happening. But I'm sure it was just too much effort to actually do some research. Or, the research didn't pan out the way you wanted, but you found it necessary to assert this trash anyway.

 

Clearly you failed to read your own article. The article doesn't say running out of anything, there are "concerns it might happen", or "reserving for a fevered onslaught"... That's a big difference that actually not having stuff. Fear monger somewhere else.

 

Maybe not. I don't know where you live. The areas which have been specifically discussed in this post are Florida, New York, and Illinois.

 

fear mongering is all they have

 

The definition in the video is the very definition of inflated. If I have cancer and die in a car wreck from massive trauma. And you say I died from cancer, which is then added to the list of cancer deaths. And if this practice is employed nationwide to give gravitas to the topic of cancer and cancer research. Then the numbers are inflated and fraudulent. To what end is a matter of opinion. But that it is fraud is a fact. Not to diminish true covid deaths, but why exaggerate? Is science a story teller now?

 

I hope that getting an opportunity to explain the difference between present tense and past tense made you feel smarter, at least.

 

Maybe don't rely upon a short, out of context, video next time.

Ezike said that the state is being careful to make sure to weed out deaths where the patient had COVID-19, but died in a manner completely detached from the virus, such as gunshot wounds or motor vehicle crashes.

There are also some additional deaths that happen in someone who happened to be COVID positive, but where the COVID infection had nothing to do with the deaths,” she said. “So we are at IDPH trying to remove those obvious cases where the COVID diagnosis was not the reason for the death. If there was a gunshot wound, if there was a motor vehicle accident, we know that that was not related to the COVID positive status.

“We are trying to make sure that things that aren’t related at all to the COVID diagnosis are removed, but if someone has another illness, like heart disease, and then had a stroke or other event, it’s not as easy to separate that and say COVID didn’t exacerbate that existing illness. That would not be removed from the count,” she added.

Source

 

You’re welcome.

 

Pro-tip: Do not listen to people who say "sheeple." But since you want to talk about people who "dare to question," I would like to note that you "failed to respond."

During a pandemic, when you have a novel virus that affects the body is new and unpredictable manners, it makes very little sense to claim that covid-19 is not a causal factor in a death when the evidence as to the primary cause of death is ambiguous. And even when you have information as to the primary cause of death, it is very, very rare that you can only have one cause of death. A covid-19 death is any death where a medical examiner determines that covid-19 likely played a causal role in the death of that individual.

For other infectious diseases, like influenza, we use mathematical modeling to estimate the number of dead in a given season. If you counted Influenza deaths in the same manner as Covid-19 deaths, i.e. Influenza is listed on the death certificate as a causal factor, then the single deadliest year from the Influenza killed around 15,500 people. If you used mathematical modeling to estimate Covid-19 deaths by, for example, comparing the all-causes of deaths for the areas hardest hit by Covid-19 against the averages for those same places and times of year, you will find - across the board - that the number of all causes deaths in those areas is significantly greater than the average even AFTER you account for the announced Covid-19 deaths.

In other words, to go back to your Thread Topic, the numbers are not inflated. In fact, they are very likely undercounted.

 

LOL... I pointed out the difference between present and future. But sure, did you have a response? So, factually you're assertion is wrong. Now what? I won't ask what it makes you feel, because frankly I don't care. The most obvious observation one can make here is that for some reason you enjoy spreading hysteria.

 

So if their stats are trending down from heart disease with days or weeks to live. And they catch covid and die. That is a covid death?

 

Pro tip, dont listen to "internet pros".

 

Hmm.. others have argued that these gunshots or car crashes were caused by the infections... But sure, the fact that folks have to go back and weed out the bad data has been the observation from the beginning that there is, in fact, bad data, and that the current counting is inflated because of it. So you agree, but go to great pains to hide it.

 

LOL... exactly. Poor MrT is reeling from the multiple concurrent dismantling of his thread content....