Rep. Cooper: We may have to arrest Postmaster General

No, because politial criminals such as republicans don't steal ballots that way, they do things like slow the mail down, gerrymander voting districts, send out postcards that look like junkmail that if they are not returned, the names are purged from the voting rolls, they do things like interstate crosscheck which purged 1.1 million from the voter registration rolls, noting the program was halted by a federal judge because of too many false duplicates being removed, and for removing both when they were matched correctly, limiting polling places in minority zones, making voter ID laws tougher and tougher, things like this, this is how political criminals work.

there is no such thing as a petty political criminal that would steal a ballot, the real political criminals, i.e., the republicans, operate much grander scale than that as explained above..They operate on a grander scale because a grander scale is the only way to affect the outcome of an election. Stealing ballots nation wide will get you jail, for certain. No, they will do the above mentioned things which are legal cheating.

remember, ballots these days are coded and thus they are tracked. Your premise makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, once you scrutinize all the facts.

 

I support protecting pensions. The 75 year requirement for the USPS I don't fully grasp.

 

Yes political bandits can raid ballots. And why the firing of the shot gun at wall with your rant, do try to focus.

 

It's the retirement healthcare they were granted which private companies do not, that has to be funded and it's 50 years because those workers are not on Medicare, if their medical pension fails because it is underfunded then they are out of health care. It should never have been set up. They should be phased into Medicare and this life long medical pension be eliminated and their other retirement funds be transitioned to a 401k.

 

We have 100% vote by mail.

So does Colorado, Oregon and others.

You comments about "small percent" just reveal your ignorance on the topic.

 

No, this is BS.

You just don't understand how secure vote by mail works.

 

Probably the most direct approach is in locating polling places to ensure that voters in different areas have very different voting experiences. LARGE numbers of polling places have been eliminated specifically in areas of low income and minority residence.

That can easily be exacerbated by giving disproportionate equipment and staffing, so that some polling places have hours long lines - lines that cost hourly wage earners their income, that prevent access to people with phyisical limitations or family responsibilities from voting, and that simply raise the bar such that those in affected precincts have to be FAR more determined to vote than others have to be - thus lowering systeatically reducing representation.

Besides just costing wage earners their incomes, selection of hours of operation can be used to make it differentially hard for some voters. For example, it's typical for salaried employees to be allowed time to vote, while that is asolutely NOT true for wage earners - who may have to depend on public transit to get from work back to their polling place - transportation that may well not even exist. Also, hours limits offer an opprotunity for attacks based on false statements of these hours.

Polling places can be surrounded by "poll watchers" of various descriiptions, including police, "Proud Boys" and other such groups, with the idea of making voting appear dangerous.

Equipment at polling places in various precincts today still provide ZERO ability to trace voting to detect crime as there is no paper trail.

There are still large numbers of machines being used where hacking those machines is trivial.

Polling places are often (usually?) staffed by volunteers who do not know the law, thus issues of denial of provisional balltots and similar issues can be used at the discression of volunteers whose "mistakes" carry no legal ramifications.

The list goes on. This is not an attempt to be complete.

And, I'll note that vote by mail eliminates ALL these opportunities for assault on our democracy while remaining secure - WHILE COSTING LESS.

 

Well, I do believe that there are root issues that can be understood, given the propensity for pensions to be so undefunded that employees WILL be denied that part of their legal compensation.

What is meant by the 75 years? I'm not sure about that part. But, it obviously doesn't apply to each individual employee, as nobody is employed for that long.

Also, imposing extravagant requirements on the USPS is one of the tactics that has been used in attempts to kill USPS.

One basic one is that I don't really understand why the USPS should be required to be profitable. It's a federal service. We don't require our roads, the VA, our military, etc., etc. to be profitable to the federal government.

Demanding that the USPS must be held to a profit motive (while given constraints that no other delivery service must meet) is clearly no more than an assault.

 

While receiving no federal funds the USPS is also failing. So, bragging that they are self funded doesn't mean a whole lot.

Thus there is a necessity for bailouts, especially now in this time of economic downtrun due to COVID.


With Trump getting bailout money for his hotels, what would be the objection to bailing out the USPS?

And, what is the legitimate justification for whithholding that help??

(There IS a totally ILLIGITIMATE justification for withholding those funds - Trump has stated that he is doing it in order to ensure that vote by mail fails, so that he will have a better chance at winning his election. This, of coruse, is a fundamentally criminal direction.)

Beyond that criminal element, I would question why we have this one federal service that is held to a profit standard while NO other federal service is held to that kind of standard.

 

IF TRUMP USED LANGUAGE LIKE THIS THE LEFTIES WOULD GO OVER THE TOP — WHICH, IRONICALLY, IS WHAT PELOSI IS DOING WITH THIS LANGUAGE: Deranged Delusion Pelosi calls Trump, GOP lawmakers ‘domestic enemies,’ ‘enemies of the state’ over mail-in voting opposition.

Looks like the USPS was the Dems’ last hope. If they had any confidence in their ticket they wouldn’t sound so pathetic.

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She's got crumbled cookies for brains. Why do Democrats allow themselves to be represented by this deluded nut?

Thank goodness we had an inspiring message and theme from the RNC. So much hatred, and screaming, and riots, and looting and assaults and America Hatred from the Left.

I'm glad the GOP shared such a positive vision.

Can't wait for night 2 of the RNC!​

 

So Colorado and Oregon are the bulk of the U.S. population, yikes! Maybe a quick review of the U.S. demographics might help you with this

 

If they had only started losing money in the last few months, you might have a point here. The reality is that the USPS has been losing money for many years. That's why I object to a bailout of the USPS: there are structural issues in their operation that need to be fixed to put them on a firm financial footing. Those fixes are what the Postmaster General is working on, and which the postal workers unions (leftists through and through) oppose. They (and you) are trying to use the current COVID crisis as cover for years of financial mismanagement.

 

"can" is not evidence that there is such an animal as 'political bandits' on a level that can affect the outcome of a national election.

So, you'll need to provide evidence that there is such a thing, otherwise, it's a figment of your imagination, ie., a solution for a problem that does not exist.

Car theft exists, so cars need locks. Mail boxes only experience theft of parcels, for they might contain something of value to a petty criminal.

There is no such animal as a petty political criminal.

Political criminals, the real ones, operate on a grander scale and do it legally. Why would they engage in petty ballot theft, whereupon if they did it on any scale large enough to affect the outcome of an election, they would get caught?

You're not thinking it through. How does ballot stealing occur on a level that would affect the outcome of an election?

What, someone goes down the street and steals ballots? In order to affect outcome of a election, it would be a nation wide coordinated massive effort.

How do you recruit the massive amount of thieves to do it?

If done, how do you keep it a secret?

If done, how do you do it and not get caught?

And how in holy tarnation does a thief know how people are voting? If the campaign is to reduce the number of republicans voting, he'd have to know who is voting for republicans. How does he know this? The ballot envelops do not tell who is republican and who is democrat. You want to decrease number of dems voting, so what, you go to poor neighborhoods? the ballot thief will get shot or beaten up. And poorer neighborhoods are apartments, and mail boxes in apartments are always locked.

And, if the thief goes down the street and steals ballots from mail boxes, if this is done nation wide, someone is going to get caught, and someone is going to turn states evidence, and thus the scheme goes down in flames, and why would a political operative do this when there are other legal schemes, such as voter roll purging, such as caging the vote, such as reducing ballot places in minority neighborhoods, all of which will affect the outcome of a national election, and it can be done legally?

You are not making sense.

Zero sense.

Try acquiring some logic, you might be able to see the world as it really is, better.

 

You should reread my post.

Beyond that, lets remember that only 10 states require a reason for voting by mail. In all other states anyone can vote by mail.

The number of states and counties that are voting exclusively by mail is increasing rapidly. Some like CA and Utah introduced it on a county by county basis - with each county making the decision. So, more than 25 CA counties, including Los Angeles county have 100% vote by mail. Kansas, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and other states are moving in this direction.

Trump is on the WRONG side of democracy - workig to allow local officials to make it HARDER to vote in areas where there are people those officials don't want to vote. We've seen theis play out all across America in recent elections with selective closings of polling places, selective cloings of registration locations, removal of USPS mailboxes, and long lines at specific polling places.

Trump even STATES that his assault on the USPSis about his own election campaign.

 

But, you are interested in Trump's plan to damage the USPS as part of his election campaign.

You claim they need structural changes, and that may be rue.

But, that is NOT what this is about. NO structural changes are being discussed. For example, removing USPS mailboxes from low income counties is not a strucural change.

Beyond that, there are reasons to doubt that the primary objective of the USPS needs to be one of making profit. We don't see that as a requirement for other services that our federal government provides. We DO want the USPS to be efficient. But, the fundamental mission of the USPS is to provide a service. Our transportation department, our FDA, our VA, our military, and all the rest are not there to be profitable. They are there to provide a service.

But for now, the major issue is that Trump is using the power of the executive branch as a weapon of his own reelection campaign.

And, there is NOTHING EVEN SLIGHTLY acceptable about that.

 

What could go wrong is having a president who uses the power of the executive branch as a weapon of his reelection campaign.

And, THAT is what we have today.

 

If someone steals my ballot they can't use it. They can't make use of a copy of it, either.

If someone assaults the USPS to steal ballots that have been mailed, that is a GIGANTIC federal crime. I routinely check to be sure that my ballot got counted. So such a crime isn't going to go undetected.

So, please explain what the HECK you are talking about.

 

You keep saying "profit". I don't want the USPS to make a profit. I want them to generate enough revenue cover their expenses, which they haven't done for years. Do you understand the difference?

 

You aren't getting it. You still hold the USPS to a specific profit objective.

The issue is that you AREN'T holding them to a service objective.

They are there to perform a service.

Do you understand the difference?

Trump has received bailout money for his hotels.

Now, he wants to deny bailout money to the USPS for the reason that it will benefit his reelection campaign.

Do you SERIOUSLY see no problem with this? Do you believe it is legitimate for a US president to use the powers of the executive office as an arm of his reelectiona campaign?

Given the long history of voting by mail in EVERY state and the exclusive use of that method in a growing number of states do you see it as legitimate for the president to assault that method of voting when he thinks it will help his campaign to do so?

 

That's not a "major issue", it's a figment of overactive imaginations on the left. The Obama administration oversaw the removal of thousands of USPS collection boxes. I assume you didn't have any issue with that. Now, you're trying to gin up controversy where none exists, because you think "orange man bad". Why don't you try finding something more productive to do with your time.

 

It's not ME holding the USPS to their self-funding standard. That was a decision made by Congress in 1970 (as I understand it, largely because the postal workers wanted to be able to strike when it suited them).

The issue isn't whether I believe "it is legitimate" or "see it as legitimate". The issue is that I don't believe that's what's happening. I think it's a nutty conspiracy theory that the president is trying to harm the postal service so that mail-in ballots won't be counted. That's the part of your theory that you haven't proven. You point to collection boxes being removed but ignore that they've been being removed for decades:

You've got to come up with something more compelling than a continued decades-long decline in demand for postal services, and a corresponding retirement of excess equipment.

 

It comes directly from Trump and his statements about withholding moeny from the USPS and the value that represents for his election campaign.

And, it is a direct assault on our method of democracy - which is moving strongly toward voting by mail.

Suggesting that isn't a major issue is an admission that you have NO CLUE what America stands for.

Have you ever read ANY of our founding documents?

How the heck do you think that the president has a right to use executive branch powers as a part of his personal reelection campaign???

 

Of course.

I don't think he does, but I also don't think he is. This USPS gibberish is nutty conspiracy theory. The postal service has been removing collection boxes and sorting machines for years now. You've never thought of it as an "assault" on the USPS before (you've probably never given it a second thought until the past few weeks).

 

Hell man, lets both reread it