Crime In Kenosha Is Connected To Deindustrialization

The Russia narrative is used against the left, dude. You aint left so you haven't noticed it.

CNN Makes BLM Protests About Russia.

 

I don't know why people say nonsensical things like that.

 

2018. 1 year into MAGA.
Recently full MAGA is achieved. More trump. More protests. More proud boys, boogaloo, patriot prayer. More riots.

 

MAGA

 

3.5 yrs of MAGA. trump runs the country. That's why he is pres.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

 

Deindustrialization disembowels any nation that was industrialized. For not enough well paid service sector jobs are created to replace value added manufacturing jobs . Walmart is our largest employer! We have a Walmart economy. IMO you are talking sci fi.

Jobs sent to poor nations and sweatshop communist labor are not robotic driven jobs. They use people . At very low wages keeping workers poor. Capitalism isn't serving these people! They are exploited. By the elites seeking to max out their wealth.

So its just a scheme. Perpetrated by bankers , big corporations and wall street..

If a nation's people have importance , those people will have value added jobs, making the goods consumed by their country! Serving their own market. We did that for most of our history! And by George it helped create history's largest middle class!

Then our own people stopped being represented! No longer was their general welfare relevant. Offshoring to slave labor isn't new! Our founders knew better . Tariffs were used to protect our industry from the worlds poor who worked for very little. Just common sense. Industry will always be important . We once used teens to do service sector work but today the adults must do these retail jobs ..At working poor wages.

And the service sector jobs that once paid more have been shipped offshore. Or hb1 Visas are used to keep wages low.

The goal is to minimize wages and get rid of.middle class wages. For max profits of the few. Insuring capitalism serves a few at the top. This big picture view is fact. Perot tried to warn us. To no avail. He spoke basic common sense of cause and effect.

Long ago I had to take Econ 101 and other Econ courses. We were not taught globalism, offshoring our jobs that fed our people. The profs were not globalists. Today most econ profs are globalists! How convenient!

If you want your citizens to prosper, and have optimum upward mobility without everyone needing an advanced degree , you better use your own people to provides most our consumption.

Every nation should do this! Otherwise its inevitable that you end up with a nation of a few very rich people with most others being working poor! As any scheme driven by greed creates.

Dreaming of a service sector economy that yields living wages and security is delusion. Our middle class is dying in my state. And in most states. Much of that isn't robots but shipping our manufacturing to poor nations for slave labor. To increase the wealth of a few at a great cost to working Americans. To justify this stupidity globalists just utter....comparative advantage! And ignoring when used globally it impoverishes people whose labor was once important because our citizens were important!

It's the most nefarious and economically treasonous scheme since enslaving workers for greater profit!

And it has created a tremendous threat to capitalism. At least this current neoliberal capitalism that only benefits a few rich elites.

 

Y'know nobody is really listening any more. You can rattle on all you like, even the choir isn't listening at this point.

What you're all going to do in November, when Trump turns into another McGovern or worse I don't know, but the debris from Republican heads exploding alone will probably be enough to shut down Dulles into December+

 

Blue MAGA liberals: Any criticism of Biden = support for Trump.

But Trruuuuummmpp!!!!

 

What your study doesn't investigate, and often ignored, is between poverty and poor life choices.

Ok, people that are in poverty are more prone to commit crimes. That doesnt make them a victim if you ignore what's causing their poverty.

 

Stir up more violence?

Lol.

From the peaceful protestors?

Have you not seen the violence, looting, and destruction? How you can now tie that back to Trump is your own issue inside your own head.

 

Sending good jobs out of america causing economic stress and disembowelling our non elite workers is one cause of social instability due to reality is in part a product of being interconnected. Creating a zeitgeist that is one of societal disorder. I think this is a given but hard to measure it..

 

I didn't ignore it. You overlooked it.

 

And that IS the issue, the ONLY important one.

If Trump gets another term America is OVER. We will see President Ivanka in 2024 and President Barry (Trump II) in 2032. Anyone daring to run against them will join the Hispanics in the death camps "beyond" the Rockies or just have an "unexplained" poisoning.

No, Biden is not perfect, but he far, FAR superior to Trump. Make no mistake, the Republic is on the line this time We cannot **** around.

 

It is the failure of the Democrat run government to stop the violence because they mistakenly think that it works to THEIR advantage. Who would WANT to live in a Democrat-run city? I suppose that is why people are moving away in droves. They shouldn’t bring their failed Democrat ideas with them. Otherwise they will ruin the next city and failure will follow them...

 

If liberals really cared about the future of America they wouldn't be goading Trump to be more hawkish with a nuclear power. I just showed your friend that the risk of nuclear war is at its highest since the Cuban Missile Crisis and he didn't care. Here is Rachel Maddow suggesting that if Trump withdraws US troops from Russia's boarder it's proof that he's Putin's puppet.

Has Rachel Maddow Lost Her Mind?


1 year later:

US Military Sends Troops to Russian Border, Officials Say They Want 'Peace, Not War' With Russia - Newsweek

 

You said nothing in your OP about the choices that lead people to poverty.

 

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The reason there is such a high risk of nuclear war is that TRUMP has suggested it as a viable alternative. Putin certainly hasn't and why should he since Trump is giving him everything he has ever asked for.

 

Lol. Tighten up and enough of the hysterics and hyperbole! Lol

You remind me of the hysterical right wing that accused Obama of being a commie even as he governed this oligarchy as an oligarch. Even letting the crooks of wall street off the hook for crashing our economy. He wasn't a commie at all. Just another elite protecting the dead republic in favor of the oligarchy.


The DP elected trump because they stopped looking out for the common man.. Thomas Frank wrote a book about the dems called Listen Liberal.

Blame your DP for trump winning. And blame the GOP for it too. But you can't put the blame where it belongs. You never learned that nature abhors.a vacuum. And are blind that we live in a cause effect universe.

This nation is a mess. And trump didn't create it. The two sold out parties gave us the mess. By refusing to represent our non elites.. As a republic would do.

 

Just more high sounding blather supporting unworkable bigotry instead of the actual and real change that is needed. You cannot turn back the clock and really shouldn't want to anyway but some people will believe anything if it supports their prejudices

 

And if the President didn't go to Kenosha, you and your people would complain he doesn't care about the violence.

Anyway, as for the actual topic of this thread, the link between poverty and crime is not new, though arguably it is because of our weak-ass efforts to police and prosecute white-collar criminals. Hell, even some of the disparity is codified. It is illegal for me to loan you money at 20% interest in my state, but the check-cashing place can loan it to you at 200%. I would be a loan shark and they would just be a "lending institution".

 

This is a bit of a chicken or egg problem though isn't it? We say there is increased bad behavior due to poverty, however, we do not examine if poverty is the result of bad behavior. If you have ever lived in a very poor area, it is not a mystery why most of them are poor. They have no impulse control, no future thinking or understanding of obvious consequences, and are generally bad neighbors, bad friends, bad coworkers or employees, bad citizens etc. It may be a nicer narrative that they are all smart well meaning people that just couldn't catch a break, but that is not the impression you get from living among them.
Likewise, if you take someone rich like Bill Gates and take all of his money away, he is not going to be attacking random strangers or spray painting profanity on children's playground equipment. Poverty doesn't make you act any specific way, but people that DO act a specific way will most likely be poor. None of these social science papers have metrics for things like morality or character.

Your think tank paper could just as easily support my point as it does yours. So what is your confidence interval for your postulate that poverty drives behavior instead of the inverse?

I realize you probably won't believe believe me, but consider this: We could likely all agree that black people, as a group, were very poor under Jim Crow, right? Black criminality was substantially lower under Jim Crow though. How is this possible? Why did black crime begin to skyrocket after social agitation of the 60's and things like the "no man in the house" rule? This supports the idea that character and upbringing have more to do with criminality than poverty does. Over 70% of violent criminals in prison today come from single mother households. That is a stronger correlate than poverty. That is a much less convenient explanation though, because it places the blame on specific people rather than on a nebulous concept like poverty. IF we stop making excuses for people and just look at them for who they are, we might be able to come up with a realistic solution that actually works.

 

Many of those fathers are in prison for non violent drug offenses.

United States - Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs

Nixon official: real reason for the drug war was to criminalize black people and hippies - Vox

How an early Biden crime bill created the sentencing disparity for crack and cocaine trafficking

Half the country is poor. Numbers this high cant be attributed it to personal failings. The problem is systemic. It's built into capitalism.

Almost half of all Americans work in low-wage jobs - CBS News

 

And this means what exactly? Does it change the numbers or the P value? No. It is just some empty emotionalism injected to make it seem like you have a point, when you don't. If you have a point, just make it.

Violent criminals overwhelmingly come from single mother households. The US government pushed single mother households for black people with the "no man in the house" rule for welfare. Black people prior to the civil rights act, did not have this wild criminality or broken family structure. This was under Jim Crow with even more pronounced poverty for black people as a group, yet less criminality. If your hypothesis were correct, black people should have had more criminality under Jim Crow, not less. If you want me to take your idea that poverty causes bad behavior and criminality seriously, then address this point. What confounding variables am I missing?

What are you basing this idea on? Why can't it be 50%? or 60%? Ever heard of the Pareto distribution?

Even if we accept your premise, it does not demonstrate causation. I could just as easily point to the millennials being the most worthless generation ever produced on the earth. Their poor character and historically high lack of fathers in the home are to blame. Now what? How do you show me causation?