AG Barr On Universal Mail-In Voting: “This Is Playing With Fire…Very Open To Fraud And Coercion”

Other countries vote by mail. Some states vote entirely by mail. They do not have massive election fraud.

Why do you think those other countries are more competent than America? Why do you hold America in such low esteem?

 

Good point. Most western nations do not do voter mail in and require in person voting with proper ID. We've been trying to get this way for decades, but our liberal counter parts do not want to go the way of most western nations.

 

Ban? No. Haven't implemented is more accurate.

Switzerland, for example, does allow voting by mail. Ballots are automatically mailed out to every citizen. And they vote like this two or three times each year. Without significant fraud.

 

Nevada recently gave me the option of renewing my driver's license by mail, instead of showing up in person at the DMV office (which had always been a one-day nightmare). All I had to do was send in $18.25 and allow 5 weeks for processing. So now, for about 4 weeks, I'll be driving around with an expired driver's license, never really knowing for sure if or when I'll get the new one.

Amazing how efficient the "mail-in" bureaucracy is.

 

Can the mod PM me to know what specific part was deleted?

Thanks.

 

Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems

And we are not the tiny country of Switzerland that being said they have their own problems

"Recent mail in ballots fraud cases in Switzerland During the 2017 cantonal elections in Oberwalliser a 31-year old man was constantly stealing postal ballots from the mailboxes and forging them afterwards. He managed to forge around 190 mail-in ballots altogether. After the investigation, it turned out that he was a former member of SVP - Swiss People's Party of Switzerland. He was sentenced to twelve months in prison by the Brig district court and had to pay a 2,000 SFr fine.

Voter fraud at the polling station in Geneva During the 2018 cantonal elections in Geneva one of the polling station officers destroyed some ballots and added the new ones while he was counting the votes. He was caught doing that by some other polling station officers who later filed a police report. The suspect was detained and questioned by the police. The police searched the polling station later as well. The Prosecutor’s office opened a case on the election fraud afterwards. Electronic copy available at: https://ssrn.com/abstract=3666259"

 

Perhaps it is the fear of a contested election resulting in "ballot harvesting"......perhaps Rockn ??? I personally don't think Trump fears a loss in an upfront, legal election.

 

It says that I trust that people on this board who are intereted in this topic have done their reading.

The federal government does have a role in ensuring that we have free and secure elections.

State government is supposed to do the work.

The catch is that Trump has discouraged states from doing that work and has cast huge doubt on our election systems as well. Remember that he went so far as to call on those in NC to vote TWICE - a felony. And, Trump pushed that idea more than once.

After Trump's assault on vote by mail, several states led by Republican governors slowed or stopped their efforts to make vote by mail safe and secure.

Let's remember that EVERY state has vote by mail - the only questions are who uses it and how secure it is.

AND, let's remember that polling places are RIFE with systematic assaults on our democracy, even carried out by those who hold elective office.


An increasing number of states have eliminated the crime around polling places and made voting more equally accessible by moving to vote by mail for everyone, using systems that have a VERY high level of security and until now have not had problems with the performance of our federal mail system.

 

This is an absolute fluff piece of totally partisan nonsense.

The fact that someone somewhere implemented a voting system that is not secure does NOT mean that security isn't achievable.

In my state of WA and many others, having someone steal my ballot is POINTLESS, because they can't use it.

And, stealing mail is a federal offense - not one of the many polling place cases that get pretty much ignored.

 

So ...
- 190 votes in a country of 8 million. Hardly a massive problem. Nobody says there are zero problems. The question is the size. not big.
- he got caught. So didn’t get away with it.
- fraud by someone from a right wing nationalist party. You aren’t really helping your case.

 

That's just two instances where they caught them, so how much voter fraud is OK? What case, where did I say voter fraud on the right is OK? I condemn voter fraud from both sides, you should too and not support making it easier to committ.

 

What you’re ignoring is that there are two sides to the equation. You focus on the possibility of voter fraud.
What about the potential increase in voting? If voting by mail makes it easier, more people are likely to vote. If there is one fraudulent vote for every additional 100 real votes - votes that would not have otherwise been cast - that seems like a pretty good trade off. If it is 1 for every 3 extra votes, it isn’t, IMO.

 

No it's factual post and it is not determined solely by YOUR ballot. And lots of crimes are federal offenses including voter fraud and people still commit them.

 

I'm not ignoring but you are ignoring the facts and the reality and history. There is one "side" to this equation, an election can be swung by a minimum of fraudulent votes in a close election which is not rare throughout this country even in huge elections. I don't think a tradeoff for fraud is not a good thing anytime.

How many small elections happen throughout the country between the every four years for presidential elections you tried to cherry-pick and failed at that? The more people that vote the more chance for voter fraud especially if it is mass mailing out of blank ballots and those ballots spend time out of the hands of the voter before they are cast.

 

I just received my vote by mail instructions on Friday here in Vegas.

Seems easy enough.

 

Can't you track your mail in vote in your state?

 

So you are in DENIAL regarding all of these FACTS?

Sad!

 

That BLOG has ZERO credibility!

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/crime-prevention-research-center/

 

Your source has ZERO CREDIBILITY!

 

I've gone over that a number of times. All I've ever got back is BS.

You said "facts".

Which is something you don't have...

 

Lack of rebuttal noted.

 

And after you mail it in will you follow up to make sure they got something with your name on it?

 

Laconic rebuttal noted again.

 

Of course they have something with my name on it. Voting isn't new you know.

 

There was NOTHING of any value to rebut.

Better luck next time.