Biden got money from Ukraine

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  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    So, if Derkach releases a statement saying that e=mc2 (Einstein’s energy mass equivalence) then we should scrap our space exploration and the use of Einstein’s relativity because it came from Derkach?
    Are you even trying to be logical?
     
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    If it were true, they wouldn't need a Russian Agent, who is a specialist in disinformation, to do it, now would they.

    Moreover, the tape was 'edited'.

    Therefore, your evidence is fecal matter.

    I'll address the meat of the problem, but, as the old TV commercial once proclaimed, "Where's the beef?"
     
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    As if a russian spy were ever going to be passing to the us anything but disinformation.

    You want logic, here's some logic:

    Putin wouldn't use a disinformation specialist/ russian agent to pass the truth, they would have someone whose resume and record would be unassailable.

    Since there is only a short time before the vote, Putin, who knows that an agent and his disinfo about Biden will eventually be discovered, but by using a disinformation russian agent, Putin is hoping his agent's ID, and disinfo, wouldn't be discovered by the election. he miscalculated, that's all. The jig is up.

    If you knew anything about logic, you would know how to frame a proper analogy.
     
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    Considering that the whole Biden thing with Ukraine was an illegal and a disqualifying event for Biden to be the President, I say everything in that article is bad.
     
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    :roflol:

    FLAILING attempt to BACKPEDDLE your way OUT of the FALLACIES in your own OP are risible!

    :roflol:
     
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    Even OAN is washing their hands of this stupidity... :roflol:

    Trump’s favorite right-wing outlet scrambles to remove stories about Russian agent tied to Rudy Giuliani’s smear campaign

    The one person Republicans were using as a source of “dirt” on former Vice President Joe Biden, Andrii Derkach, was officially sanctioned by President Donald Trump’s Treasury Department for being an “active Russian agent.” Now, Trump’s favorite conservative outlet, OANN, is scrambling to remove any mention of his name from their website. They neglected to remove other spellings of his name, however.

    BuzzFeed reporter Christopher Miller posted screen captures of searches for Derkach on OANN’s site but was unable to find any. Derkach was the one sending Sens. Ron Johnson (R-WI) and Chuck Grassley (R-IA) as well as Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) files he said would prove that former Vice President Joe Biden’s son was doing something illegal.

    But other spellings of the name, such as “Andrii Derkash,” still turn up reports on OANN, including Rudy Giuliani’s “documentary” about what he was able to find in Ukraine thanks to Derkach.
     
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    Interesting. And all this time I thought the primaries got Biden on the ticket.
     
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    I smell a smear job by Slimy Rudy.
     
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    I don't see a crime in getting money from Ukrainians rather than anybody else.
     
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    Wyden: RonJohn Stumbled Upon Evidence Of Trump Corruption In Ukraine Probe

    Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) accidentally revealed more evidence of corruption in the Trump administration’s dealings with Ukraine in the course of his investigation into Hunter Biden, according to a letter from Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR).

    In an unbelievable twist of irony, the corruption allegation has to do with a cabinet-level Trump official pressuring the Ukrainian government to alter the composition of the board of a Ukrainian energy company.

    Lawmakers came across the evidence last week during the testimony of Amos Hochstein, who serves on the supervisory board of state-owned Ukrainian oil and gas holding Naftogaz.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckr...evidence-of-trump-corruption-in-ukraine-probe

    It seems to be almost impossible to conduct an investigation that doesn't reveal more corruption by Trump.
     
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    I suspect a whole lot of blind eyes will be turned to this.
     
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    Turned to what said the Trumpleton.
     
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    When that messenger is an active agent of theKremlin (friend of yours?) nothing he says should be considered anything but garbage
     
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    True information??

    He’s a Russian SPY
     
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    “Witness testimony in this investigation has directly implicated former Secretary Rick Perry in alleged wrongdoing and the Department more broadly in a scheme to undermine anti-corruption efforts that were implemented by Ukraine in partnership with the international community,” Wyden added."
     
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    interesting report

    Number of Biden family's suspicious bank reports could be up to 250..... Rep. Pat Fallon, R-Texas

     
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    Why do Repubs always say "Biden family"?

    Answer: Because they know that their base will assume it includes Joe Biden.

    Fact: it doesn't, it refers to Hunter, James and Hallie Biden.


    The SARs by themselves, are not proof of a crime.

    To date, no evidence of a crime as been provided by anyone, anywhere.

    Sorry, it just isn't there.
     
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    Comer has been on the trail for awhile...

    Comer Presses Treasury on Joe Biden & Biden Family Selling America’s Energy Independence to China

    Comer Reveals Evidence of President Biden’s Involvement in His Family’s Business Schemes


    https://republicans-oversight.house...-involvement-in-his-familys-business-schemes/
    https://republicans-oversight.house...ompromised-The-Biden-Family-Investigation.pdf

    https://republicans-oversight.house.../2022/11/2022-11-16-Treasury-HB-follow-up.pdf
    https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/2022-11-16-FBI-follow-up.pdf

    Why does Comer keep saying they are investigating Joe Biden

    ""I don’t think anybody realized that Joe Biden is in fact involved in a lot of these.”"

    https://rumble.com/v1v7exi-rep-comer-joe-biden-is-involved-in-a-lot-of-hunter-bidens-crimes.html
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    Just because a site is not American, does not make it "neutral." Is Tass or RT neutral, on American issues? Even in freer countries, like say Hungary, there is still a Right and a Left wing, that is, a bias, which can be small, or great. In fact, you are an example of this, yourself. Because you are Ukrainian, you turned from being consistently against the Biden Administration, and all things Democratic, to being a cheerleader for Biden's steps to aid Ukraine. Now, after some absence, you apparently feel it is OK to go back on the attack, against the Left.

    If we are familiar with the sources, we understand how much, and what sort of bias to expect from, for instance, The Washington Post, versus The Washington Examiner. If it is foreign, we lack that context. However, as you say, if facts can be confirmed, that is all that matters. But is Andrew Jackson's post #11, accurate in pointing to the source of your own thread's story? Because that takes a lot less effort, than using a translator-- which would have been nice, had you translated enough for a Snip-- to just watch the video, in the old thread, which Andrew J. links.

    If that is the same story, I do not see how your source's title, even applies. That video has nothing to do with Biden receiving any money from Ukraine.





     
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    That's just a letter, that's not evidence.
    Well, he's ticked that Trump has been indicted, so, he's trying to get the goods on Joe, it's a tit-for-tat thing, a witch hunt. But this is a REAL witch hunt.
    I've seen the video, it's not evidence, show me so ****ing evidence!
    That's just another gawddamn letter, it's not evidence. Do you know what evidence is?

    Don't show me big long documents they just show the rantings of Comer and his committee desperately searching for stuff and they don't ahve it.

    Show me a receipt, a signed check, a contract, a bank statement and a contract corresponding to deposits into Joe's bank accounts form foreign entities he has business with as Senator or VP, or a taped recording revealing crimes, you know, like the kind of stuff we have on Trump, real evidence.

    Guess what, there is nothing.

    I've examined everything you've linked to. Really I have. I've seen it all before, long time ago. Nothing there is nothing.

    It's all 'suggests' 'seems like' it's all innuendo.

    THERE IS NO HARD EVIDENCE OF WRONG DOING ON JOE BIDEN. Comer has even admitted that the investigation is about Joe Biden.

    There' nothing there. NOTHING.

    What you do not understand is what constitutes hard evidence.

    If that weren't true, US Attorney David Weiss, who has been investigating Hunter Biden for 3 years, would have indicted by now.

    But, alas, he has not.

    And there is your final answer.
     
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    @Patricio Da Silva

    Evidence or lack of is the outcome of honest and thorough investigations done by those responsible and have the resources...like the executive branch.... reasonable suspicion is what it takes to start an investigation. The executive has never initiated or conducted any such investigation.. Hunter's laptop and 150 plus suspicious activity reports is more than enough reasonable suspicion to meet the requirement to start to look into the Biden crime family activities...
    So the GOP House is looking into the obvious reasonable suspicious activities..

    Would you like to talk about Monkey Island?
     
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    Seems kind of Off-Topic...
    But, why not?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_Island
    Return to Monkey Island, the sixth Monkey Island installment, was released on September 19, 2022 on the Nintendo Switch and Windows, coming to other formats later. It is a collaboration between Gilbert's Terrible Toybox studio and Lucasfilm Games, and published by Devolver Digital.
    ^I liked the sixth installment...
     
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    Well ya got me there.... .... let's try talking about JiaQi Bao and Monkey Island then.....
     
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