Please explain to an outsider...why Trump?

Well, he may not be your false prophet, but he is one for tens of millions of Americans. If you support him, for whatever reason, you're choosing a false prophet.

Trump is no friend of working class folks. Maybe you aren't either. That's fine--no one made it a requirement. I thought you presented yourself as supporting the Orange Oaf because of the good things he did for Joe and Jane America. Okay, maybe not. Maybe you don't like the Trump, or perhaps you support him for other reasons.

Based on what? Propaganda? Do you know much about dementia?

What do you want? Biden is serving up a platform acknowledging the progressives' wish list. He isn't going to give them much on the list. It's like a party platform.

Compared to Trump? Absolutely. Trump is a menace. Otherwise? We'll see, but likely not in the end.

Urban rioting by Antifa? Looting and arson by those who often show up when peaceful protests end? They should be arrested and prosecuted. Peaceful demonstrations? Sure, why not?

As I said, he is a false prophet. Millions of Americans think he's going to help them by giving them a chance. He didn't help them in his four years--or even try to help. If you support an obvious demagogue, you're complicit, IMO.

Middle class folks? I taught high school students and adults for more than three decades. That's how I know what they want. I asked them.

You were held to account, not insulted.

 

The last three years of Biden saw economic growth almost identical to Trump's first three.

Hence my comparison of Obama's last three years with Trump's first three.

Read the above GDP graph.

 

There's no "maybe" about it. Why didn't you ask first instead of assuming?

I'm giving up on this gentleman, but I think this exchange establishes that civil debate in this country is impossible.

 

Trump has turned the Republican Party into the party of labor. The Democrat Party is now the party of globalism.

 

Thank you Republicans taking back the Congress and again the better things get the harder to improve, what happens when we get to full employee and everyone is working, new jobs go unfilled expansion restricted but then wages start to rise and more people are willing to get back in the workforce and the LFPR started going back up after the fall under the Dems/Biden/Obama. And Biden is suggesting the same economic policies that took unemployment from the 4.5% the Republicans handed past the 8% the Biden stimulus was supposed to hold it to soaring to 10% and staying over that 8% for the next three years.

So why when we are in deep need of a recovery AS the Trump administration was helping along and was beyond all expectations would you turn the person who fell on his face with his stimulus/recovery attempt. It is not even disputed anymore it was the worst in modern times. Same with the Rep/Bush43 recovery, we need more of that that the failed Dem policies.

 

We had over 7,000,000 unfilled jobs and calling on manufacturing all I heard was they could not find enough workers and actually ran fewer shifts. Of course that meant wages rose and especially for the lower incomes and lower jobs, the worker on the line as opposed to the manager of the department. Biden is talking the same policies they were talking in 2008 and 2009 what they passed stimulus, higher taxes, more regulations and it was a disaster. That is the main reason I voted for Trump this time which I did not first go round.

 

Emma, what it really just boils down to is that Trump's policy decisions were good for America, and a great many of us don't believe the Democrats policy positions are good for America.

Trump is not the most likable guy in the world, but we agree with him on policy for the most part.

 

I guess this means we should thank Democrats for taking over the House in 2018?

So Democrats were responsible for Bush recession unemployment?

Of course, the Orange Oaf pulled our chestnuts out of the fire in 2017.

What are you talking about?

 

Because people don't vote for Trump as much as against what he defies, safe spaces, no platforming, political correctness, identity politics, blame America first, the entire progressive agenda.

 

Now there is some misinformation for you. I chuckled through the whole post.

 

How do you explain that economic growth was virtually identical over the last three years of the Obama Administration and the first three years of Trump?

What has he done? He cut corporation taxes, something that had support from both sides of the aisle. Biden is only talking about clawing back a point or two of the cut.

Trump, unfortunately, gave 85% of the personal tax cuts to people making $400,000 per year. Biden said he's going to claw back the cuts for rich people.

 

Millions of manufacturing jobs? Where?

 

What is the "progressive agenda" you oppose? Protecting Obamacare's provision against raising premiums on people with preexisting conditions? Ending the "war on drugs" that costs $50+ billion a year? Putting more money into public education? Taking action to slow global warming?

I take exception to many progressives' solutions, but that isn't the same thing as not wanting to deal with problems.

The big problem we haven't dealt with for decades...

 

Perhaps you don't understand how most European countries govern themselves.

@Emma82 referred to "States" (see above) in the middle of a sentence. People in other countries often refer to this country as "the States" and are not talking about state vs. federal government.

 

The same number if votes Presidunce Blowhard won in 2016 when he lost the popular vote to Useless Hillary.

 

He hasn't done anything to solve this problem...



Trump and the Republicans made it worse by giving 85% of the personal tax cuts to people making $400,000 a year.

 

You have to go back to 2016. One party nominated a candidate in which only 36% of Americans had a positive view of him, 60% negative, Trump. The other party nominated a candidate that was viewed 38% positive vs. 56% negative by all Americans. In fact 25% of all Americans had a negative view of both Trump and Clinton, they didn't want neither one to become the next president. As a friend of mine put the 2016 election, it was between the devil you didn't know, Trump. He was a businessman, a TV reality show host, no one knew how he would govern. Hillary Clinton, she was the devil everyone knew. Everyone knew exactly how she would govern. We choose the devil we didn't know over the devil we did.

Since in the U.S. we have a two party monopoly, it was a choice between two unwanted devils. One voted for the least worst candidate or the lesser of two evils or for the candidate one wanted to lose the least. Not win, but lose the least. Yet 6% of all Americans opted to vote third party against both Trump and Clinton. Some 9 million plus voters. They knew their candidate had no chance to win, had no money, no media attention, no name recognition, no way to get their message out. Just a third name on the ballot. They went to the polling place to register their disdain officially against who the candidates the two major parties nominated. I was one of them. The end result was the election of Trump. It was like the two major parties dug as deep as they could into their well to find the two most disliked and unwanted candidates in this nation's history. But this was bound to happen in our two major party monopoly.

Now we're a very divided nation, mainly because of the leaders of both major parties. It's become among them it is far more important to be a Republican or Democrat than be a American. It has become for the good of the party, not country. Loyalty to party, not the nation. We've become polarized with mega, ultra high partisanship. We're as divided as a nation just like we were prior to the civil war. But it's not north vs. south, it's left vs. right, it's political party vs. political party. There's a reason for that too, but I won't get into that.

This country has been leading up to someone like Trump for 30 years now. It was bound to happen. The problem is there is no remedy in sight as long as both parties believe, truly believe in their hearts that the other party is out to destroy America. So all during Trump the Democrats refused to cooperate with him even in things good for all of America. The Republicans are now getting ready to not cooperate with Biden even if his ideas would be good for this country. It's each party's goal to stop and oppose everything the other party proposes, they don't want any credit to go to the other party, period.

So Trump happened. Our modern era of polarization, divisiveness, mega, ultra high partisan will continue and it looks like it is here to stay.

 

Actually he got about 10 million more votes if you add up all the votes than last time and more than any other person who ever ran except for Biden. It was a huge record turnout.

 

Since they pay 88% of income taxes......

 

And the States nor the Governors report to the President. She doesn't understand our Federal Republic.

Perhaps I don't claim too and why I don't comment them nor tell citizens of other countries how they should run theirs as some foreigners to America do here.

 

The sane thing to do would be to provide medical vouchers and require insurers to sell coverage to all comers at the same price.

A medical voucher would allow people to buy the kind of coverage you prefer, perhaps with cash back for self-insuring some services.

Not enough money exists, nor has our education system, particularly K-12, prepared most citizens for educating themselves. (I taught computers to adults for many years at night.)

OTOH, there are many people and many skills that do.

 

Try reading what I wrote s-l-o-w-l-y so you get it. "States" refers to the United States, not "states" within this country.

You might have a point if this country didn't throw its weight around.

 

Trump lost to Biden by 5m popular votes. All he did was stir up liberals and moderates to get him the hell out of the White House.

 

This last group includes me.

If I had to do it over again, I'd support Useless Hillary. (The thought makes me .)

Very true. There are a lot of Democrats who would rather see Joe Manchin defeated than continue in office. Ditto for Republicans who would rather see a Jeff Flake defeated.

I think it has a lot to do with both parties ignoring the struggling middle class.

It goes back to Republicans not cooperating with Obama, Democrats not cooperating with Bush when they grabbed the House back in 2006, and Newt Gingrich shutting down government when Clinton was President.

I hope Biden can put pressure on Republican Senators to compromise, but he won't be successful if he talks like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez instead of like Joe Manchin.

I have a message for the ideologues... there will be no end of trouble if we try to clamp down on abortion or take folks' guns.

 

Even Trump said as late as 2017 he wouldn't cut taxes for rich people because they didn't need it. Besides, business tax cuts are plenty of cuts for the ownership class.