Coming National Lockdown? Depends on How Patriots – and Christians — Respond

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Show me that data, please. We've haven't had over 270,000 deaths in one year from the flu since 1918.

    I'm very dissappointed in your rude responses. I thought so much better of you.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like I said, dissappointingly rude.

    Can you really dispute the deaths from this virus enough to reduce it to the levels of influenza? If so, please prove it.

    The FACT is that we have never dealt with a virus with this contagion rate and deadliness. That's my opinion based on daily observable data and information from reasonably trustworthy epidemiologists. Isn't it a bit arrogant to think you know better?
     
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    You do that. The rest of us will get on with things. We don't need your approval.
     
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    Prove this to be true. Be sure to cite your sources.
    - What is the probability of a random maskless person being infected with the virus in its communicable state?
    - What is the probability of that person, in a generic, random encounter, passing the virus to you - while you wear a mask?
    - What is the probability you will develop symptoms from said transmission?
    - What is the probability you will require some health care service from that transmission?
    - What is the probability you will require hospitalization from that transmission?
    - What is the probably you will die from that transmission
    - How do these probability demonstrate "Getting anywhere withing six feet of another without wearing a mask" constitutes a "significant, clear, present and immediate probability of harm to others."?
     
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  5. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll let you answer all of that bullshit for yourself. If I try to answer, you'll just piss all over my facts anyway. It's what you do here. It's all you ever do here.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm not calling the medical world liars. You are making that claim because you're desperate, because you know the test is false and you're trying to change the subject.

    I strongly admire all the many doctors and scientists who have blown the whistle in this time of universal deception. Judy Mikovits, Dr. Bukacek, the Frontline Doctors and so many more. I admire real scientists with a code of ethics.

    I loathe false prophets like Anthony Fauci.
     
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    It would be futile to show you that data because you are in denial of such data. You claim to have watched the ample data in Plandemic II and rejected it.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Calling it a Plandemic is a clear indication that you are convinced it's some kind of hoax. In light of that, nothing I can say will have any effect, regardless of the facts. Your mind is closed, it would seem. I'm done here.
     
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    Are you referring to this Mikovits?
    "Mikovits had an explosive breakup with WPI. The institute filed suit against her in November 2011 for allegedly removing laboratory notebooks and keeping other proprietary information on her laptop, on flash drives, and in a personal email account. She was arrested in California on felony charges that she was a fugitive from justice and jailed for several days."
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, I've read the propaganda too.

    I've also read her book, A Plague of Corruption.

    You go with the authorities, I'll go with the whistleblowers.
     
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    So she wasn't arrested? Are you saying that is fake?

    Oh well....you've read her book. Well that settles it. Everyone who's gotten COVID or died from COVID is just fake news. They are all actors playing a role. And boy...those who died really took their role seriously, eh? Talk about commitment.
     
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    She wasn't arrested for "telling the truth". Seems you are the naïve and indoctrinated one. Carry on
     
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    Since you are a fountain of knowledge, perhaps you can tell the audience what her arrest and jail records show about the reason for her arrest?

    Then maybe you won't. :lol:
     
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    I already supplied that info but if you need it again...
    "Mikovits was arrested on Friday, and spent five days in a California jail cell, held without bond. She was released Tuesday after an arraignment hearing, according to court records. An arrest warrant issued by University of Nevada at Reno police listed two felony charges: possession of stolen property and unlawful taking of computer data, equipment, supplies or other computer-related property."
     
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    Wow. That's dissappointingly rude.

    Good that you recognize your inability to back up your claim and concede the point.
    Knowing you could not back up your claim, why did you make it in the first place?
     
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    Stupid can't be cured, but ignorance in the age of information is a choice.
     
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    Do you mean this "whistleblower"?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

    "In 2020, Mikovits promoted conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 pandemic via the internet video Plandemic,[10] which made claims that are either false, or not based on scientific evidence."

    "In late 2008, a graduate student, who subsequently was hired as her technician, obtained two positive results from a group of twenty samples. He and Mikovits successively altered the experimental conditions until all samples gave a positive signal."

    "Mikovits has spoken at anti-vaccination events. She has claimed that retroviruses have contaminated 30 percent of vaccines."

    "She does not believe that a vaccine is needed to prevent COVID-19, and claims that the coronavirus was "caused by a bad strain of flu vaccine that was circulating between 2013 and 2015". She also claimed masks will “activate” the virus and reinfect a mask-wearer over and over."

    Regarding "Plandemic: "...this film is a half-hour long documentary-styled interview of Mikovits's views on a variety of subjects. YouTube removed this video from its website a number of times, citing its Community Guidelines. It was later removed by Vimeo and Facebook for similar reasons."

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...sial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral

    "Mikovits refused to sign the retraction notice, but she took part in another major replication effort. That $2.3 million study, ... was “the definitive answer,” Mikovits said at a September 2012 press conference where the results were announced. The rigorous study looked for XMRV in blinded blood samples from nearly 300 people, half of whom had the disease, and none had the virus. “There is no evidence that XMRV is a human pathogen,” Mikovits conceded."

    "Her discredited work and her legal travails have made her a martyr in the eyes of some."

    That would seem to include you. There are several other articles from reliable sources about Mikovits, all backing this up.

    She's not a whistleblower, she's a conspiracy theorist.
     
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    Per what percentage of the population? Sort of hard to honestly compare total numbers when 1 country has population numbers that dwarf others.

    Try death rate.
     
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    Manipulating death certificates is without a doubt calling health care industry liars and also breaking the law and their code of ethics.
    Pretty damning charge you're leveraging against them.

    Fauci has been in his job since Reagan was in office and held that position now for 40 yrs.
    Hardly a false prophet, that would be another baseless attack you are leveraging.
     
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    Yesterday, I read that Biden will have flip-flop Fauci as the top medical advisor and will be making a recommendation of 100 Days of Mask Wearing starting at his inauguration.

    Meanwhile, the Nazi Party's "Your papers please...." for travel is already in the works.

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    You are most excellent at regurgitating official narratives.

    In so many cases, the official narrative is a false narrative, but that is too sophisticated for you to grasp.

    Yes, it is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled.
     
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    By all means ignore the facts.
     
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    Florida's DeSantis removed restrictions. Three days later Fauci says, "DeSantis Man Bad."

    Authoritarian New York locks down citizens and now has surpassed Florida in Covid hospitalizations per million people.

    Fauci, [..?..crickets..?..]

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    Viruses do what viruses gonna' do.
     
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    That leadership in the various medical bureaucracies would order doctors to change the way they had been filling out death certificates for years is a painful truth, but the truth can be painful. Many times truth is painful.

    Do you want me to pretend that bureaucrats are angels? Do you want me to pretend that the whistleblowers were being untruthful?

    Sorry Dairy, I could agree with your fantasies and we would both be wrong.

    It is ancient wisdom that power corrupts men in government. If you never realized that, it's a personal problem.
     
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