McConnell is setting up Trump!

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    The more I look at McConnell's effort to delay even consideration of any article of impeachment coming from the House with a delay until one hour before the inauguration with a trial over the next month, the more brilliant it is to contain Donald Trump and motivate him to do what he needs to to stop violence during and after inauguration.

    All the winds are going against Trump within the GOP right now already. More and more signs exist of a major shift in establishment circles against Trump and the big money donors behind the GOP. Now McConnell has decided that this should be a 'vote of conscience' in his caucus. He has decided to wait until he is ever close to releasing his institutional power as majority leader to Schumer with two more votes nearby in Georgia and Harris itching to take the gavel. That means schumer may be in control of the calender dates and the Democratically controled rules committee decides what rule changes might be considered for the trial and nobody can predict with any certainty what the exact number of guilty verdicts might be among republicans. If there is trouble in state capitals and Trump acts like a Silent Same doing absolutely nothing to stop trouble, and there is no promise or commitment to the caucus that individual members feel obliged to keep, and McConnell is not too particular who shows up to vote on that fateful day ( 48 hour quarantine anybody in a purple state, just as an overabundance of caution!) and who does not, this vote could go bad.

    This is not about protecting the President, its about unleashing a lot of variables outside the President's control to incentivise his conduct and offer flexibility to the GOP to respond to the fluid circumstances affecting their verdict. Things only improve for Trump if those 50 insurrections peter out to nothing, and there is minimal blowback to Biden's ascendency.

    I think I am beginning to see real value in a delayed response to an indictment. No president wants to be impeached twice, and convicted once in his one term, no matter what asterisks the courts put around this symbolic act aftT
    Don't screw with McConnell if you need something from his caucus. He may be a snake, but he is poisonous.
     
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    Delete!
     
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    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    My take? There isn't going to be any more 'violence', and Trump will probably do the 'resign-and-pardon' dance with Pence, maybe next Monday. Joe takes over at noon on the 20th, and immediately has the Democrat-dominated Congress crank up the 'printing presses' to get more welfare money out to the masses. End of problem....
     
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    McConnell's delay, to me, feels a lot more like kicking the proverbial can further down the road.
     
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    How low has the country sunk, when pretty much everyone expects the sitting POTUS to try to obtain a blanket pardon before he leaves office. Whether he resigns and negotiates one or issues one to himself, it is clear that he believes he has committed crimes and needs protection.
     
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    I don't believe that he believes he's done anything "wrong". He seems to be truly invested in the idea there was voter fraud and he is being singled out in a "witch hunt". He just wants the option of a blanket pardon because everyone is "out to get" him.
     
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    Were you around in the summer of 1974 when we went through pretty much the same bullshit, with then-president Nixon resigning, and then being pardoned by his successor a month later...? "There is NOTHING new under the sun!"
     
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    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What I'd like to see is Trump setting up something like this with Pence, announcing his resignation and for Pence to turn around after, wag a finger and then say Nu-uh!

    Ah sweet bliss!
     
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    McConnell can barely relieve himself without calling for assistance. He makes Pelosi look like a real go getter.

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    Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of people feel like that. Me? I'd rather just have ol' Joe come breezing into office and tell us all, "Hey, ya know what? Screw it! Two thou' isn't nearly enough money to give you, so we're going to round it up to five thousand! Now, let's all party!"

    Hey, why not? I think ALL of us, Left and Right, are sick and tired of feeling "sick and tired". The whole country is going to hell on a sled for the next four years so let's have a few laughs along the way....

    Links: Ain't it funny how history repeats itself...?
     
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    I hope so !!!
     
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    That would be the definitive poetic justice.
     
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    Can you imagine what would go through Trump's mind if he ever got wind of the thought that that could happen?

    I think he'd get so paranoid his head would implode.

    "But what if I.....?"

    "But what if I.....?"

    "But what if I.....?"

    "But what if I.....?"
     
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    "crank up the 'printing presses' to get more welfare money out"?

    The 40 years of Republican power has made deficit while Democrat deficit reduced them.

    The "wefare printing presses" is the never ending Republican propaganda.
     
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    That's one benefit, but what does Trump do meanwhile, when he knows that can is still going to be picked up by the Senate? Does he want to look like he does not want division, rage, and insurrection before this vote, or does he not care how he looks before this vote. The jury is watching the defendant sitting at the defense counsel's table, looking at his demeanor, his shifty eyes, and they watch to see how he interacts with the witnesses, the audience, his attorney looking for clues of a guilty mind or an innocent mind for the entire month. You don't want to risk alienating the jury during this time and you want your witnesses, your family and friends to look more like the Von Trapp family than the Manson 'family' I support this delay because its the only leverage anyone has directly after inauguration over Trump.
     
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    Well look on the bright side. You don't have to pretend to care about the debt anymore.
     
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    McConnell has at least two years of having to work with a Democrat majority. He's doing the correct thing...throwing out the trash as a large sign that he's willing to compromise.

    I also suspect there is more damning information to come on the attempt at insurrection. Anyhow...Trump was the biggest RINO around.
     
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    Is Pence willing to end his political career for tRUMP?
    Because a pardon will do just that. Ever hear from Ford after the pardon?
     
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    Despite losing in 76; he was almost Reagan's VP in 80. He wanted too much power which is why we wound up with Bush
     
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    I would not want to be Trump right now. He must be squealing like a pig while the deliverance music plays in the background.
     
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    I gotta admit, Dairy, you're right!

    Truth? Weary from all the political strife involved in the Nixon regime, a rotten economy, and soaring inflation, a lackluster guy like President Ford never really had any traction. Even more truth? Gerald Ford (then) reminds me a lot (A LOT) of Joe Biden (today)! :roll:

    My memory of the election in 1976 is that it wasn't so much that people 'hated' Gerald Ford, but rather that they just wanted to START OVER WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY NEW! Thus, we got Democrat 'Jimmuh Cawduh'... and things went even further downhill.... :sad:
     
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    This would be the same McConnell who the right was praising for getting all Trump's Judicial nominations through the Senate ...
    Man, the MAGA crowd will turn on someone at the drop of a dime. Hope that's a lesson for Republicans in the future.
     
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    Ha! I stopped caring about "the debt" in 2008 when the Federal Reserve central bank completely hijacked the entire economy of the United States! And its practices of "buying non-existent bonds" while it manufactures trillions of dollars in imaginary money haven't stopped since then. After we've run out of "trillions" of dollars in national debt, we can go right on up to QUADRILLIONS for all I care....

    Why not? If you were the Chairman of the Federal Reserve System, you could simply announce that the central bank was going to do ANYTHING it wanted, and who would refuse to go along...? NOBODY.
     
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    You and Republicans both. It is unfortunate that Trump was unwilling to back up his tax cut promises. I think it may have helped the debt/deficit. Oh well, chalk up another victory for lobbyists.
     
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    Except Biden has 40 yrs of Experience and 8 yrs near the WH as VP.
    A lot more to work with and go on.

    We don't need to start over, We need to heal the American psyche.
     
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