A white woman was shot by a cop in Washington

Thank you for your concession.

 

That's not how it works. My point stands. You have to prove she was not the victim of systemic racism.

 

Don't really care what you think. That is the narrative and its the correct one. Get used to it and like it.

 

Noted you refuse to substantiate your argument. Concession accepted,

 

Not sure what you're asking.

 

Well...Trump said in 2016 (of the black inner city ghettos) when he was chasing votes; "You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison,...."
so I suppose they might, but that gets us back to the economy: "It's the economy, stupid" re poverty among both white and black. That's my concern, as opposed to examining the entrails of a failed economic system, eg whether black crime is greater than white crime.

I already said I'm not interested in race.

You missed the point: "The most significant social advance of the 20th century" was the creation of an international institution in which ALL nations were members (unlike the 1st attempt at creating international law, ie the League, after WW1.

The fact that self-interested ideology among the great powers re "individual sovereignty" crippled the effective functioning of the UN Security Council - and hence resulted in the "farce" of the UN (your words), doesn't change the fact that the VISION, and the GOAL of the UN was the most significant social advance of the 20th century.

Now all we have to do is overcome the disgusting paranoid self-interest that says "freedom" is more important than life, which is sheer madness, because you can't be free if you are dead....

I don't: I would massively increase public transport and make it free.

Yes.
Note: money is always created out of nothing; it's just that our evil private-sector vested-interest-serving system confines money creation to private banks., shutting out the government's own bank.....

The US is the self-appointed 'world policeman', accepted by other sycophants around the world, as a result of WW2. I look forward to the UNSC carrying out the role.

They are both features of the "end times", as per fundamentalist interpretations of St. John's psychotic visions in Revelations.

IMO, when the world's perhaps most famous 'atheist', Richard Dawkins, says he is in awe of the infinite universe, that makes him "religious", in my view.

He just likes to point out the ridiculous nature of much scripture; indeed scripture is the word of men in search of God**, composed in certain places and at certain times, not the actual Word of God itself.
**infinite, eternal, conscious, reality

What passes for "employment" in today's insecure, low-paid, part-time, gig economy that many people are forced to negotiate is enough to destroy anyone's morale.....

Pompeo is running around the world preaching US/Western "values" based on a fundamentalist reading of the Bible. It would be surprising if that section of Trump's "patriotic" support base were not represented among the rioters; but in any case my concern is the alert the world to the Trump/Pompeo fantasy of world domination under the biblical God.

 

No, not "might." It's a plain and simple FACT that blacks commit more crime than whites. Which is terrible and something which must be fixed. A lack of fathers in the black community is a big problem. Candace Owens does a really good job of explaining it.

Aren't you interested in racial equality?

Okay, but in the interim, would you shut down the road system?

And this is not 'exceptional?'

Do the Democrats not also have the "fantasy of world domination?"

 

It's quite simple. If it was your opinion, then it is irrelevant to the law. If it was a claim that this is how the law works, then okay, but you would need to support that claim.

 

What concession?

 

Does she? (Feel free to outline her basic ideas).

But how about ensuring access to above poverty employment for the entire working age population; self-respect and commitment to family will follow naturally. Oh...and bulldoze the ghettos noted by Trump; the US has the available resources and productive capacity to do this many times over...

But don't ask 'Bow To the Robots', ....he's thoroughly indoctrinated by obsolete classical economics...and hence just another useless neoliberal preaching orthodox monetarism.

Yes... but not race per se. Give it up...I said the ENTIRE working age population, above.

No. I would outline the plan to replace essential private transport immediately ...in the 1st 100 days....(as Biden rightly says, with the vaccine), so avoiding an impractical shut-down.

It's exceptionally evil, the result of paranoid claims for individual sovereignty over community well-being (whether in the national or international sphere); and accepted by liked-minded sycophants in other countries.

Yes. But I like to think Bernie Sanders, as a democratic socialist, would have a different view to Pompeo's evil fantasy of global domination by the biblical God.

 

I couldn't find anything from her, but here is Larry Elder:

Through government force on employers?

You don't actually mean bulldoze the ghettos do you? I can't imagine that black people would want that.

Okay, so then all of the road deaths are an acceptable loss because they are they are not worth shutting down the road system for.

You don't actually think that you could do it in 100 days surely.

What do you mean by "paranoid claims for individual sovereignty?"

So you're a Sanders supporter. No surprise there really. So which progressive do you want to see run in 2024? I'm guessing that Sanders is done.

 

You asked if I would sacrifice quality for equality when it comes to hiring. I don’t believe that is an inherent result. I’d like to see you demonstrate that it is.

 

Well presented video....BUT the speaker, having identified the problem, ie, no black fathers, then virtually claims that to be solution!

In fact he was on the right track when he mentioned the economy; from 1949 - 1970, poverty rates fell from 34% to 17% then stayed at that level. Why?

NOTE; LBJ's "Great Society" in 1964-66 was an attempt to deal with poverty and racial injustice , but not a cause! Terrible racial injustice eg in Detroit - blacks couldn't get home loans - needed fixing for sure, but external events outside the US intervened.

Japan started building Corollas in 1966, when Asia's post-war boom was gaining traction, based on low wages. Detroit's population started to decrease at the same time as jobs were lost to Asia The Arab oil embargo in the 70's finally put the nail in the coffin of the American 'gas guzzlers' industry.

Now economists like Friedman failed to understand the causes of the stagflation of the 70's (ie caused by supply inflation based on high oil prices, and low wage competition from Asia) and came up with the disastrous supply side economics aka 'trickle down' ie lower taxes and smaller government, or neoliberal economics, replacing the Keynesian fiscal policies of the immediate post war years, aka the 'golden age of capitalism' 1949-1960)

LBJ's attempt to end poverty and racial injustice in 1964 was thus doomed to failure by external macroeconomic forces., as well as by the fact that welfare increases dependency and therefore is not a winning strategy

No. By enabling a self-funding public sector to act as employer of last resort (ELR) when the private sector fails to offer above poverty employment for all. . Study MMT. Stephanie Kelton's book "The Debt and Deficit Myth" is a good start.

Btw, as robots and AI advance, the free market will naturally diminish in significance; it's now time to authorize the Fed to create and spend the nation's currency, alongside money creation in private banks. The days of governments being forced to tax, or borrow from wealthy vested interests in the private sector are no longer tenable, as this pandemic might well prove.....as public debt soars to many trillions, to save the economy...in the meantime, expect to hear howls of "the burden on our grand-children" etc etc ).from orthodox 'flat earther economists.

Btw, re force; citizens have both a right and a responsibility to contribute to the nation's prosperity and amenity, with above poverty reward. The free market by itself is inadequate for the task. The 5 deaths in the Capitol riots are just a tiny number of the victims of the private sector free market.

Btw, Biden wants to raise the minimum wage. Watch out for all the ideological nonsensical objections based on 'free market purity' and obsolete classical/neoliberal economics.

Yes I do. Btw, China poured more cement in 3 years 2010-2013 (as antidote to the GFC) than the US poured in the entire 20th century. No self-respecting person WANTS to live in a decaying slum.

Life is worth saving. I presume you think so too....though you see the UN as a "farce"....while denying it the very functions needed (eg SC minus the crippling veto) to carry out its peace maintaining mandate to save lives....because you don't WANT to reform it, which would require you to give up your absolute national sovereignty (see below).

The US was turning out 3 liberty ships a day in 1943. With robots now, the nation could turn out ...100 buses a day... 10,000 in 100 days. that's 200.000 cars off the road.

The fear of rule of law, whether in the national or international sphere. Law means accepting some loss personal sovereignty, including the necessity to approach cultural 'enlightenment' ie abandoning false beliefs. Can you agree with Thomas Paine: "The world is my country, all men are my brethren, to do good is my religion...." sentiments straight from the "age of enlightenment" itself.

AOC might be a possibility

 

What concession?

 

The thing of it is... many of us are now apprehensive on sharing our unbridled opinions of the matter. A travesty; why go through the work of 'officially' subterfuging our 1st amendment rights when it can be done insidiously from within ~ "throughout"...

 

The problem with 1st amendment rights is, like all rights, they carry responsibilities.

Murdock and Fox must carry a heavy responsibility for the Capitol riots. James Murdoch is disgusted with his father's news empire, for good reason.

And a Facebook video claiming Antifa was responsible for the riots was available for viewing for 5 days after the event (according to an ABC radio program today)

PolitiFact | Facebook posts wrongly claim left-wing activist, antifa ‘incited’ US Capitol mob

stated on January 7, 2021 in a Facebook post:

" Says left-wing activist John Sullivan “incited (the) insurgence of (the) US Capitol.”

"There’s no evidence that the crowd was infiltrated or led by antifa activists in disguise, and specific individuals held up online as antifa activists have turned out to be Trump supporters. One man accused of being an "antifa thug," for example, is actually a supporter of the QAnon conspiracy theory. Another man labeled as an antifa activist is really a known neo-Nazi."

 

Sorry @a better world - you need to go back to 1917, 1919 Schenck v. United States ... plenty of 'rabbit holes' / legislation from there... up until the 1950's (which you should closely examine) lol... McCarthy ring a bell ?...

 

As in, he claims that the solution is for fathers to be absent?

"Welfare increases dependency." That's a pretty conservative statement!

What jobs would these be?

What makes them have this "right and a responsibility?"

Which would be government force on employers, right?

The ghettos can be FIXED rather than 'bulldozed.' These places may not be ideal, but many people have spent their entire lives there and have many happy memories, even in tough times. They surely wouldn't want the place TOTALLY changed.

Is ONE life worth saving regardless of the trade-off?

Could people still drive if they want to?

Are you talking about individuals or countries?

Totally unelectable. She's just a leftist Sarah Palin.

 

No, it's not an inherent result, it's a possible result. You're saying that a less qualified person should, at least in certain circumstances, be judged on their race and therefore get the job over a more qualified person.

 

No, as in just make the fathers show up....simple, problem solved.

I'm for testing and acting on the evidence, regardless of labels.

Park maintenance, assisting the elderly in their homes, street care, and special skills an unemployed person might be able to use (if determined to be useful by the local council, for example)

See UNUDHR article 23. Responsibilities come with Rights, implied in rule of law and the notion of justice.

No. The government IS the employer we are talking about, in this instance.

Fair enough if they can be fixed...and there will be plenty of maintenance work to employ an army of workers...

Is it possible for more than ONE angel to stand on the head of a needle?

Such were serious debates among theologians in the Middle Ages.

Yes, because so few would want to drive to work...since the buses are free...

Both.

Sarah Palin was a "tea*-partier", "US patriot", "free marketeer", "libertarian"....like Babbitt ........and would fit in well with the Capitol-riot mob, no doubt.

'tea'....'taxed enough already'....dimwits, the government doesn't need their money, as AOC already knows and appreciates. Study MMT.

In respect of which: have you seen the guy in one of the Capitol riot videos shouting "we pay their wages and they give us nothing"? .....pathetic, destroyed by the current dysfunctional neoliberal economic system.

 

Please quote where I said that. Thanks.

 

You said the below. I cannot interpret it in any other way other than selecting someone based on their race - at least in certain circumstances - in order to "correct" the "disparity" of "women and people of color" being "severely under represented in our government."

 

He said "just make the fathers show up?" I doubt that.

So the same public jobs as now, other than assisting the elderly?

Which part of the below supports your claim that "citizens have both a right and a responsibility to contribute to the nation's prosperity and amenity, with above poverty reward?"

Article 23.

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

So you mean that Biden wants to raise the minimum wage for public jobs?

Not sure what that means. Again, is ONE life worth saving regardless of the trade-off?

That's no different to saying that AOC would fit in well with the BLM riot mobs.

Do you agree with that guy?

 

Listen to the video. I was hanging out to the very end, waiting for the punch line, and it never came. He missed the obvious point that black men, like all men, need access to secure well paying jobs before they can become responsible fathers.

No: I'm sure local councils could come up with any number of (temporary or 'in between') jobs they would like done, if they knew the Feds were funding it.

Beautiful isn't it.......

The Right to work is expressly stated there, obviously; the responsibility is implied in "and .... protection against unemployment".
[This has been discussed by MMTers, my position on responsibility is this, namely, justice requires reciprocity between the community and the individual].

But neoliberal private sector free markets can never achieve real full employent above poverty level, because the associated monetary orthodoxy trades inflation against employment (posited in the NAIRU dogma).

No. I'm advocating for MMT, remember. The Job Guarantee wage is the minimum above-poverty wage in the economy (lower than any private sector wage) which applies to the buffer pool of JG workers (as posited in the NAIBER concept...***Buffer Employment Pool, instead of the ***Rate of Unemployment in our current dysfunctional economy). Plenty for you to read up on..

That's a question for King Solomon, or maybe a philosopher. I'm a practical man. Show me the jobs, and show me the safe transport; ...and show me that MANY lives are worth saving*, as well as one life.
* eg, by criminalizing war between nations.

Ah yes, I identified Palin with Babbitt, my mistake (which I made because both appear "bright", and are libertarian, small government "US patriots"; ...though probably not in agreement with the guy carrying the "Jesus Saves" banner (!), Trump's OTHER right wing constituency)...but indeed Palin may not be inclined to join Trump's "stop the steal" mob in the Capitol riot).

Meanwhile I hope AOC has access to Biden; she just might be able to counter the government austerity dogma of obsolete mainstream economic orthodoxy.

BTW, here is Prof. Steve Keen's latest thinking on MMT; after 30 mins of tortuous logic, both speakers come down on the side of MMT:

(link)

Steve Keen - Can MMT solve the COVID-19 debt problem? | Brave New Europe

But perhaps you have something better to do.....to me the economy is simply a matter of resource development and allocation, these two guys are too hung up on money, and not concerned enough about resources and productive capacity, and repeat themselves quite a bit

No, though I feel sorry for him..obviously not coping with the current dysfunctional monetary system that relies on him being unemployed (or on below poverty wages) to control inflation.

 

That doesn’t inherently mean a sacrifice in quality of a job candidate.