Psaki: Even After Vaccine, You Still Need to Social Distance and Wear Masks

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  1. VanCleef

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    Great so now Health Director's and HHS are lying in this article too?

    Oh boy.

    This is a simple fact article. Not an op-ed. You asked for proof and he gave it, concede.
     
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    I would add that the Amazon mask with the inserts is NOT adequate.

    Masks like that protect breathing in, but NOT breathing out, as they have a valve so that outbound breaths are not filtered at all.

    The major idea of masks is to protect OTHERS, and masks with valves just don't do that.
     
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    I showed you the WAPO are liars (provided an example) which is why I don't trust them.

    Here is another example that your WAPO are liars:
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/washington-post-fake-news-passports-media-bias/

    More WAPO lies:
    https://spectator.org/the-washington-posts-brazen-lies/

    WAPO fact checking lies:
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/11-humongous-lies-told-washington-posts-phony-fact-john-nolte

    Don't post a claim from a media source with a track record of lies and then demand I prove the claim is false. If your vaunted media source lies on one or more occasions they are by definition liars.

    If you want to make Bezos your paragon of journalistic virtue feel free to do so.
     
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  4. VanCleef

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    Every paper has retractions and mistakes. That's silly. They are highly credible and correct their small % of mistakes. It's not like he linked Dailywire or Breitbart.

    You have to prove the article is false, directly. Click the link, quote what's wrong.


    Are you saying this is fake,

    The health director in Oregon, Patrick M. Allen, was so disturbed that he wrote Azar on Thursday demanding an explanation. In his letter, he recounted how Gustave F. Perna, the chief operating officer of Operation Warp Speed, had “informed us there is no reserve of doses, and we are already receiving the full allocation of vaccines.”

    “If true, this is extremely disturbing, and puts our plans to expand eligibility at grave risk,” Allen wrote. “Those plans were made on the basis of reliance on your statement about ‘releasing the entire supply’ you have in reserve. If this information is accurate, we will be unable to begin vaccinating our vulnerable seniors on Jan. 23, as planned.”

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    HHS spokesman Michael Pratt confirmed in an email that the final reserve of second doses had recently been released to states but did not address Azar’s comments, saying only, “Operation Warp Speed has been monitoring manufacturing closely, and always intended to transition from holding second doses in reserve as manufacturing stabilizes and we gained confidence in the ability for a consistent flow of vaccines.”

    Guidance circulated Friday among HHS officials acknowledged, however, that “the notion that there is a large bolus of second doses that will be released to jurisdictions is not accurate.” And state and municipal health officials said their allocations for next week had increased only marginally, if at all.

    Chicago Public Health Commissioner Allison Arwady said her city’s share had gone from about 32,000 doses to 34,000 doses. “I have stopped paying a whole lot of attention to what is being said verbally at the federal level right now,” she said.


    Nirav Shah, the director of Maine’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said he learned only Friday, by calling his state’s designated contact at Warp Speed, that the reserve no longer existed.

    Maine still plans to broaden vaccination next week to those 70 and older. “Who is in line will not change,” Shah said. “The velocity of that line will change because this bolus of doses that we intuited was coming based on Azar’s comments is not coming.”


    There was additional confusion from another change Azar announced this week — making allocation of doses dependent on how quickly states administer them. He originally said that would not take effect for two weeks.

    But Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) on Thursday tweeted that federal officials had notified him that the state would receive an additional 50,000 doses next week “as a reward for being among the fastest states” to get shots into arms. West Virginia, meanwhile, which is moving at the fastest clip, according to CDC data, did not get any additional doses, said Holli Nelson, a spokeswoman for the state’s National Guard.


    In a sign that the incentive structure may not be long-lived, a senior Biden transition official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to address ongoing deliberations, said this week that the team did not look kindly on a system that “punishes states.”


    Biden has said he wants to see 100 million shots administered within his first 100 days — an aim that will depend on quickly accelerating the pace of immunization. Together, Pfizer and Moderna have agreed to sell 200 million doses to the United States by the end of March, which is enough to fully vaccinate 100 million people.





    These are direct quotes, tweets, and from confirmed emails. This isn't some conspiracy theory article, it's just telling us facts of things that happened.
     
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    I was talking about protecting yourself. If you don't have it, you can't give it to others, notably family members. Also, you can cover the exhaust valve on many respirators.
     
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    Truth? At the rate things are going, I'll be amazed to see the J&J vaccine within reach of "normal" people before Memorial Day, and by then all the vaccine makers may have overhauled their stuff, or created "boosters".

    I see now that we are, indeed, on a road with a destination, but no end-point....
     
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    Coming from you I will take that as a complement. Anything you believe I hope I always believe the opposite or I would begin to question myself. Thanks for the reaffirmation!
     
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    If you want to protect others, why not put a cover over the respirator valve?
     
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    I agree with you on all points.
     
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    Yes, I think there are plenty of ways to make it work. It's not like what's being asked of us is somehow too difficult.

    But, we have whole STATES full of people who just can't bring themselves to listen to modern medicine.
     
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    As we've seen, those who "have it" don't necessarily show it.

    In fact, CDC says those who have been vaccinated are thought to be able to transmit it.

    Anyone who isn't wearing a mask in public situations is really just sociopathic. I do not believe there is any other explanation.
     
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    Is this going to be what plays out for the next 4 years?

    Question: What didn't old white Joe get [insert promise] done?
    Answer: But, but, but.......Trump.
     
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    I am sure those parents are letting us know we have their children and want them back

    if a country took your children, would it be hard for said country to know who you were?

    now some may have been fleeing for their lives and killed when they were returned to their county, but like you said, we have to try
     
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    I hope so.

    But, those who tried at the time were repeatedly rebuffed.

    I hope they get word that they should try again. I would question whether local media is reaching these parents.

    If they are from some Caribbean island they would probably have to try to contact the US embassy in Barbados.

    Many of those whose children we kidnapped were trying to escape dangerous circumstances.

    What success rate do YOU think we're going to have?
     
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    The fact that the Trump administration was grossly misleading the USA is a HUGE DEAL when figuring out how much can be accomplished in Biden's first full month.

    You do recognize that, right?
     
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    I recognize that Biden promised 100 Million would be vaccinated in 100 days. His words. So lets see if he can deliver.
     
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    That sounds like a threat.

    If Republicans decide that Biden should be made to fail on vaccine delivery, I'm willing to bet that Republicans could accomplish that.

    And, the catastrophic condition of vaccine production and deliver that Trump left as his legacy is certainly a good start at making it hard to achieve Biden's goal.

    On the other hand, if we work together it seems quite reasonable to believe that we could make that kind of progress against the threat of COVID in the USA.
     
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    and he will try, but it was a set back when he found out that the vaccine Trump said he had on hand, he actually did not, that he lied again
     
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    Ah OK, I stand corrected. Sorry.
     
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    I know. I have N100s and medical-grade goggles that wrap around my glasses with silicone seal.
     
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    Absolutely. My valved N100s, I wear an ASTM level 3 mask on top of them. So I'm protected, and the community is protected, too.
     
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    Just to be clear.
    He promised 100 million doses in 100 days.
     
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