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I just showed in my earlier Post # 128 why Wikipedia is entirely unreliable and grossly biased when it comes to WW 2 history, the holocaust and Israel - Palestine.

It's impossible to estimate the number of German deaths because there was no registration of the prisoners either at their arrival or at their death. They had little if any food & water, no shelter, no medical care and were routinely tortured, shot at for "entertainment."

Earlier, at Auschwitz, the inmates had shelter, adequate food, medical care, a swimming pool, an inmate orchestra, a library, soccer games and even a maternity ward where 3,000 babies were born without a single birth death:

"HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

"Auschwitz maternity ward"

EXCERPT "Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule.

* Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility." CONTINUED(3)

 

In your world Rob, and of course the world constructed by the MSM, the Guardian of so many Official Conspiracy Theories that you embrace.

 

Thank you, Dr. Goebbels.

 

Is name calling the best you can do or are you really so naive as to believe that only the "other" side used propaganda?

 

Yes, it's called the real world, join us all sometimes. Frankly hilarious that you think I share the views of The Guardian which I wouldn't wrap mu fish and chips in.

 

Proof? Maybe even just a citation explaining what you mean? BTW, Germany IS nuclear-armed, just because they didn't build one doesn't mean they aren't "part of the club".

 

Funny how that works, innit? Who'd imagine it? The fools who seem to want to burn Da Joos again, don't seem to grasp that they'll never burn alone again...

 

Yes it means exactly that. Even if you could build a nuclear weapon in a year or even months or weeks does NOT mean you are considered a "nuclear power".

 

You say Russia did this, but not America.... while I sourced:
The Rheinwiesenlager (German: [ˈʁaɪnˌviːzn̩ˌlaːɡɐ], Rhine meadow camps) were a group of 19 camps built in the Allied-occupied part of Germany by the U.S. Army to hold captured German soldiers at the close of the Second World War.


And the US president did took away their rights as POW and treated them as 2nd class people.
That's how you end up them Germans, lots of them just boys, dying from first and hunger or just by letting them rot in open air for months.
And that was before they made them clear the minefields, where they died by the 1000's a day.

 

I suspect you are reading fake history.

 

You are in no position to question to accuracy of my sources with just your own silly little opinion.

 

Being forced to clear minefields is a traditional use of POWs. The British did it with Argentine POWs after the Falklands War. The Union forces used Confederate prisoners to do it in the American Civil War.

 

Traditionally the waist rapes the laws with impunity but are the first in line when others breach international law with a raised up finger and eager to slap some economic sanctions around with.


https://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/TreatmentOfPrisonersOfWar.aspx
Article 52
Unless he be a volunteer, no prisoner of war may be employed on labour which is of an unhealthy or dangerous nature.
No prisoner of war shall be assigned to labour which would be looked upon as humiliating for a member of the Detaining Power's own forces.
The removal of mines or similar devices shall be considered as dangerous labour.

 

That is in no way binding.

 

Except when the US signed and ratified it.
I do believe they did.

 

US signing the convention is irrelevant for the purpose of establishing the legality of the treatment applied to the German prisoners.

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/TreatmentOfPrisonersOfWar.aspx

The convention was adopted 4 years after the war, and entered into force a year later. It wasn't even a project at the end of the war, when the facts allegedly took place.

 

You're just playing shenanigans. The US signed to uphold the laws of the convention, and they trashed it. 1000's of German POW's died a day because of that when they were made to march into the minefields to clear them, feeding them systematically not enough, and making them sleep in the open cold air. It is what it is. Your idea that they were treated well and was according to whatever they agreed upon before or whatever... it is an ill joke. Stop rewriting history for the sake of your feels.

Oh pfff... it's just copy paste from what they made up before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention_(1929)#Labour_of_prisoners_of_war

It states that POW may work, but not war related and it must be safe.
Them POW also must be fed a normal soldiers ration.

And the US simply did not, since they denied captured soldiers were POW's.
Official policy and so the US send a lot of POW to their deaths among them many teens.



Your previous idea that there is nothing wrong with sending POW into minefields, since it was done before,... doesn't make it right. There is also nothing new about concentration camps either... FYI.

 

My grandfather, to his dying day, said that every German and Austrian should have been executed by 1946. Every man, woman, and child should have been wiped out, anyone with German ancestry should have been sterilized.

 

Are you actually trying to defend the conditions at AUSCHWITZ?!

 

I was responding to another Post about Eisenhower's true "death camps" in which about 1 million German POWs and civilians were murdered under the worst of conditions: no shelter, no food, no medical care, no blankets, no clothing etc(1)

Most Westerners have been so effective brainwashed by the corrupt and fraudulent Holocaust Industry(2), (3) and its complicit Hollywood propaganda mill that they'll believe any lie about the "evil Germans" while former inmates who tell the truth about conditions in Auschwitz are heavily censored(4).
The vast majority of deaths at Auschwitz were from typhus and natural causes, not fictitious gas, steam or electrocution chambers(5) and, according to the original Auschwitz Death Ledger, a total of 68,864 died or were executed(6)

I don't claim that conditions at the German camps were idyllic, only that, unlike Eisenhower, Churchill, Stalin etc, the Germans did the best that they could with the very limited resources they had.

If you would like to continue this discussion about the holocaust or Auschwitz, please do so at an appropriate thread like:
"About the Holocaust"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-83#post-1072658494


(1) “Buried Alive Screaming In The Night: German POW Survivors Describe Eisenhower’s Extermination Camps After WWII Had Ended”

https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018...ers-extermination-camps-after-wwii-had-ended/

EXCERPT “The Western Allies deliberately murdered approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of starvation, exposure, and illness. This Allied atrocity was first publicly exposed in 1989 in the book Other Losses by James Bacque. Bacque estimates in Other Losses that the victims undoubtedly number over 790,000, almost certainly over 900,000, and quite likely over a million. The prisoners’ deaths were knowingly caused by army officers who had sufficient resources to keep these prisoners alive. Relief organizations such as the Red Cross that attempted to help prisoners in the American camps were refused permission by the army. “CONTINUED


(2). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(3) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


(4) "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony

EXCERPT "Investigations of physical evidence and original documentation, however, have cast doubts on the Holocaust narrative that has been formed. For example, areas claimed to be mass graves, have been found with modern investigative technology to contain no human remains. Testimonies of accused perpetrators show evidence of outright fabrication, or were obtained through torture. Many of the supposed eyewitnesses have provided stories riddled by inconsistencies, describe physically impossible events, or were even total frauds who were never actually in the camps." CONTINUED


(5). “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas”
https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas/

EXCERPT “Dr. Russell Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.” CONTINUED


(6). “Deaths at Auschwitz, 1942”
http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/deaths_at_auschwitz_1942_v3.pdf

EXCERPT “More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz. That is the plain testimony of these Death Books.

We Reject.... It has been averred that ‘Up to 175,000’ Jews were deported to Auschwitz by the end of 19427 . That is impossibly high, because less than forty percent of all inmates were Jewish: a figure of fifty or sixty thousand would be more reasonable. Likewise Mr Jan van Pelt averred that ‘In 1942, two hundred thousand Jews were gassed in buildings 1 and 2.’8 There cannot have been anything like such numbers arriving: and the Death Books have around onethirtieth that number of Jews die in that year! These texts tend to claim that huge numbers of Jews arrived without being registered (and were gassed right away), however we would rather stick to documented data.

Grand Total: 68,864 deaths” CONTINUED

 

You've never presented any evidence from an unbiased source to support this claim. And given the realities of the burgeoning Cold War, the U.S. and British had every reason to minimize the crimes of the German Nazis.

Also you miss the obvious. if you are willing to excuse the people who died in the German death camps from harsh conditions they you have to also excuse the deaths of Germans in the "Eisenhower death camps" from harsh. conditions.

You can't have it both ways

 

What is biased about the sources I already cited like the one below(*)

(*)“Buried Alive Screaming In The Night: German POW Survivors Describe Eisenhower’s Extermination Camps After WWII Had Ended”

https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018...ers-extermination-camps-after-wwii-had-ended/

EXCERPTS “This is one of a series of published and planned articles detailing aspects of the Western Allies deliberate intention to murder approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of unnecessary starvation, exposure, and illness.

“The Western Allies deliberately murdered approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of starvation, exposure, and illness. This Allied atrocity was first publicly exposed in 1989 in the book Other Losses by James Bacque. Bacque estimates in Other Losses that the victims undoubtedly number over 790,000, almost certainly over 900,000, and quite likely over a million. The prisoners’ deaths were knowingly caused by army officers who had sufficient resources to keep these prisoners alive. Relief organizations such as the Red Cross that attempted to help prisoners in the American camps were refused permission by the army. “CONTINUED

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I am unaware of any attempts by the British & the US to minimize German war crimes. Please provide an example.


Re:

The differences are as simple as they are obvious.
1. Eisenhower had an abundance of medical supplies, food, tents, blankets and manpower to care for his POWs & captive civilians yet he deliberately withheld them to cause as many deaths as possible.
2. Eisenhower could also have simply released his post War POWs like Patton did.
3. Eisenhower's intent to murder as many Germans as possible is made most obvious by his arbitrary changing the status of the German captives from POWs to DEFs (Disarmed Enemy Forces). Under the Geneva convention, POWs are entitled to food, shelter, medical care while the DEF classification that Eisenhower just made up were not.
Finally, Eisenhower's hatred of the Germans is infamous:

"God, I hate the Germans."
Dwight D. Eisenhower
https://www.azquotes.com/quote/578610

On the other hand, the Germans tried as hard as they could to fight the various typhus epidemics that, according to Arno Mayer, caused the most deaths.
Germans who mistreated Jews were frequently punished(1) in such cases as camp commander, Karl Koch's death sentence enforced by "Blutrichter" (Hanging Judge) Konrad Morgen

Just as American Dr. Charles Larson found no evidence of "gassing" in the thousands of autopsies he performed,
Dr. Russell Barton found no evidence that anyone was deliberately starved(2).

Naturally, at the end of the war after months of rampant typhus and shortages of everything you see the grisly photos of piles of emaciated bodies that were not the norm when the German camps had adequate food & medicine.

Briefly put, Eisenhower's mass murder was deliberate and calculated while the Germans simply ran out of supplies due to Allied bombing of civilian infrastructure.


PS If you wish to continue on this topic, please let's take the discussion to "About thee Holocaust" in the Mid East section of this forum.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-83#post-1072659130

Thanks,


(1) “Punishment of Germans, by Third Reich authorities, for mistreatment of Jews (1939-1945)”
https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2002/06/punishment-of-germans-by-third-reich.html

EXCERPT “The German army severely punished its own soldiers for crimes committed against the civilian population, including Jews."CONTINUED


(2) “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas”
https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas/

EXCERPT “Dr. Russell Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.” CONTINUED

 

That is something I, a German child, raised in Germany during the war, can't understand! WHY are we being hated?

I'm probably repeating myself, but here it is again...

I've said it many times and I will say it again now:

My youngest brother, then 18 yrs. old, was imprisoned by the Americans in 1945 on the famous Rheinwiesen, without shelter or anything.

Still, he was lucky, not to have been captured by the Russians, who would have shot him without mercy, because he was an SS soldier.
He survived the American ordeal and was shipped to France for three years of slave labor.

Mr. Drucker is one of a few decent and conscientious Americans with a caring heart. Unfortunately, my brother already passed away in the early 2000s, never got to hear about Mr. Drucker. Besides, this information is not only suppressed in the US, but also in Germany.

The sun is shining "up North", and I'm going outside into my garden and see how things are growing, especially the dandelions!!

 

According to Matthew White in "The Great Big Book of Horrible Things" about two million Germans were murdered after World War Two but not by allied military forces. Most were killed by Eastern European governments after the war as they made their way back toward German territory. Eastern European nations did not want large populations of Germans living in their countries due to their presence being an excuse for Nazi expansionism during World War Two.

 

The British propaganda wasn't enough to sway the Americans, so they went one better, and packed the Lusitania with explosives so it would sink when torpedoed.

According to the 1910 census 1 out of 11 Americans were either born in Germany or were first generation Germans. Yet they began coming in colonial times and married Germans, so that the German sentiment and language continued from generation to generation and ended only with WWII - which is a pity. I like diversity.

My friends mother was born in Germany, and her ethnic German husband was born here. Her brother even fought for Germany, and came back with one leg. My brother in laws maternal grandmother was also born in Germany while his father's family also went back generations, so I would say the percentage of Germans here was more like 35% than 10%.

There were also the Irish who hated the British, so there was no way that Britain could gain the sympathy of the Americans without a false flag killing of Americans - and that they did with the sinking of the Lusitania. What's interesting is that Winston Churchill was the head of the British admiralty, and Frankly Delano Roosevelt was the head of our Navy at the time.