Israel Strikes Iranian Oil Tankers Bound For Syria

For heaven's sake, they were ready to shoot a Pilot for not saving his machine gun when his plane crashed.

We're going to shoot you!

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There's a lot that you need to learn if you really believe that it was FDR & WSC saved the Free world from Nazism as Hitler offered peace and a return of conquered lands to the Western Allies in order to fight Stalin who was prepared and determined to sweep West through all of Europe and beyond(1), (3).

Additionally, Germany was fully in its rights to sink "American shipping" carrying war material for Britain & France.

Concerning the "Mexican invasion plan", British MI-6 (and its earlier equivalent) flooded the US with mythical German plans to invade when Germany had no intention to do so in either war(2)

Finally, Roosevelt was fully aware of the pending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor just as the German declaration of war on the US was just a formality since the US had already sided with Britain, France etc.


(1)"Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

EXCERPT ""A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED


(2) "The conquest of the United States by Britain"
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/mahl.htm

EXCERPT "Mahl evaluates British intelligence activities in the United States as "one of the most important and successful covert operations of history." (p. 186) What is most astounding, however, is not the British activity but the collaboration by the Roosevelt administration. For while Britain was simply pursuing her perceived national interest, Roosevelt's cooperation with the intelligence service of a foreign state could certainly be labeled as treasonous.”CONTINUED


(3) "Churchill's Deception"
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1839087.Churchill_s_Deception

EXCERPTS "Churchill's Deception describes how Great Britain shunned opportunities to end the war because it sought to dismember Germany, not merely to destroy Hitler.

German generals were ready to topple the Fuhrer in 1939 and 1940, but only if Britain agreed not to take advantage of a civil war that would follow.

England did not agree. And because of Hitler's own obsession about obtaining a pact with Great Britain, he offered to return his Western conquests in exchange for guarantees concerning Germany's interests in the East.

Though Churchill held out for more, he took note of Hitler's obsessive desire for peace with England." CONTINUED

 

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He did. There was significant support for Germany within Britain before and especially during the early phases of the war. The "Cliveden Set" was just one such group and Hess fully expected his peace offer to be accepted or else he would not have flown to Britain.
Churchill didn't want just Hitler and. his National Socialist Party destroyed, he wanted Germany & its people destroyed(1) because he viewed Germany as competition / a threat to Britain's brutal Colonial Empire.

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I, too, don't claim to be an expert on military strategies and tactics but Stalin's troops in offensive formations did not have the usual defensive tank traps, entrenchments etc that an army in defensive position would have. That's why Hitler's forces were able to sweep east so easily

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I don't know to what degree Stalin trusted Hitler or anyone else but I have read from several sources that he was prepared and committed to driving westward through all of Europe.

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Firstly, Suvorov is not German and secondly, National Socialism and Communism are such strongly conflicting ideologies that they were bound to clash at some point. From what I've read, more and more historians are accepting Suvorov's viewpoint.

If you would like to discuss this topic further, let's please do so at an appropriate thread.


(1) "Churchill's Deception"
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1839087.Churchill_s_Deception

EXCERPTS "Churchill's Deception describes how Great Britain shunned opportunities to end the war because it sought to dismember Germany, not merely to destroy Hitler.

German generals were ready to topple the Fuhrer in 1939 and 1940, but only if Britain agreed not to take advantage of a civil war that would follow.

England did not agree. And because of Hitler's own obsession about obtaining a pact with Great Britain, he offered to return his Western conquests in exchange for guarantees concerning Germany's interests in the East.

Though Churchill held out for more, he took note of Hitler's obsessive desire for peace with England." CONTINUED

 

Off the top of my head, British merchant ships were ordered to fire upon submarines and fly neutral (including US) flags. The (predictable) result of that was US ships being attacked.

 

A destroyer had been scheduled to meet the Lusitania and escort her in. The escort was recalled. Lusitania was also ordered to reduce her speed. (It's obvious from photos: she wasn't using all of her boilers.) If not for that, it is quite doubtful that any submarine could have caught her. (Turbine-powered Lusitania was a Blue Riband ship, she crossed the Atlantic at 25 knots and was capable of 27.)

Also: Lusitania absolutely was a legitimate target by the standards of 1915, since she was carrying military supplies!

 

IIRC, the declared munitions aboard the Lusitania were considered at that time an allowed cargo for protected merchant shipping to carry.

The question was always whether or not Lusitania was carrying far higher grade explosives than declared which would NOT have been an allowed cargo (and would've made her a legitimate target)

 

Yes and what's your point? You haven't addressed a single one of my points.

Bull, even the Germans admitted their offer to Mexico was real. Germany may have been entitled to sink American shipping but they then shouldn't be surprised the US declared war on them?

British ships were armed and fired on subs but they certainly weren't ordered to fly neutral flags.

No, conspiracy, no one wanted the Lusitania sunk, this was 1915, the need for US intervention was yet to become urgent, everything else is fantasy.

 

Where did you get that nonsense!

 

O.k., I heard in the last ten years or so about the piles of dead, emancipated bodies. The explanation for that is that an epidemic of typhus had broken out in war torn Germany and people died en masse. It was especially bad in some Concentration Camps like Buchenwald. The Germans were powerless to remedy the situation, although they did their best possible under the constant bombardment and chronic supply shortages.
I believe, your grandfather had no idea and was thoroughly brainwashed about the evil Germans, his enemies. He couldn't know any better! BUT... he should have been able to see more clearly and judge more fairly ten years after the events.

One thing seems to have been established: Nobody got gassed within Germany! So, Buchenwald was not an extermination camp!

The most famous inmate of Buchenwald for a short time was Elie Wiesel, the Nobel laureate. It is said, he and his injured father chose to walk with the SS Guards from the Auschwitz Camp to Buchenwald. They could have stayed, but no, they decided to rather walk with their "torturers and slaughterers".

It is quite a long stretch to walk away from the Russian front... Maybe the Wiesels were afraid to be liberated Russian style. I have no idea why they didn't want to stay.


At the same time, the Germans from East Prussia had already in October gotten orders to leave their residences and head west. Imagine, the chaos on the roads! One army retreating, the other rolling forward. Inbetween Elie Wiesel and company marching to Buchenwald!!

What I want to say is, that the German authorities were most likely totally overwhelmed with the collapsing situation and couldn't organize any help for the sick and dying inmates, I'm sure they otherwise would have. DDT, which the Americans later used, was not available to them, OR they found it too poisonous...

DDT was sprayed directly on the prisoners at Dachau by the American liberators.

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/...during-world-war-ii-to-stop-typhus-epidemics/

And when it was all over, the jubilant victors sat in judgement of the most decent and honest people, the Germans...

“The conduct of the American judges at Nuremberg was, to say the very least, of the most questionable propriety. One of the judges, Francis Biddle, reveals… that the U.S. judges knowingly permitted the Soviet prosecutor to admit false evidence against the defendants… Justice Jackson hosted a party for visiting Andrei Vishinsky (notorious Soviet prosecutor in the bloody Soviet purges), at which party the American judges joined in a toast by Vishinsky, ‘To the German prisoners, may they all be hanged!’…

Read on here:
http://www.renegadetribune.com/a-case-study-of-southern-methodist-universitys-nuremberg-attorneys/

Is your grandfather still alive? If he is, please, say "Hello" to him from this German grandmother.

 

I read accounts of the Falklands War and its aftermath. I also had this discussion with war and history enthusiasts at Spacebattles.com and links were provided that confirmed it.

 

No...He drank himself to death self medicating PTSD. To the day he died, he said every German should have been wiped out by 1946.

 

What links or accounts? Perhaps you could provide one link from an Argentinian soldier saying that he was forced to clear mines by the British to show that your post was not nonsense?

 

That's too bad. As an alcoholic he lost his credibility and respectability.

 

Why do you support Israeli Terrorism yet complain so loudly about the Palestinian freedom fighters trying to defend their land from a brutal oppressor who wants to steal that land ?

 

Israel gets to do whatever they want as long as they are allies of the U.S.

 

Very True - but, to a limit - but in general yes. This is changing though as the other players on the geopolitical chessboard rise up and take their place at the table. and this mess in general needs to be fixed ... we can't have a nuclear power going rogue. It is not so much the US - as Israel can do no wrong - and nothing better for the neocons and the Military Industrial Complex .. but the other nuclear powers - and the world in general is becoming more vocal -and more assertive - as US hegemony falls off a cliff.

 

He drank himself to death-knowing exactly what he was doing-because the screaming stopped after a pint of Jim Beam. What, exactly, do you not comprehend about "severe PTSD"?

After Buchenwald, his platoon never took another prisoner and most of them shot all Germans on sight.

 

We need to tell you there is no we just you.

 

The fact youu share the same subjective opinion. does not make what you share true. In fact what you say makes no sense. The UN has issued 500 sanctions against Israel and never one to Hamas.

As well in your analysis nothing Israel does is correct so if that is the truth as you say it is necessarily Israel must be doing wrong.

Golly are you confused.? Why not just come on and say Israel Poo kaka.

It will be easier and quicker to get your point across.

 

Well Jazz aka Rhetoric agrees. Evil Edomite jew.

Hey now calling jews evil. What a useful post and it sure establishes the ground rules for discussion. Poo poo kaka Jews.

Ignore button where art thou...

 

What did you figure I was confused about .. You are very good at name calling - not good at backing up your claims - but thanks for bringing up the UN - which suggests that Israel been doing a whole lot of dirty deeds ... doesn't it.

 

1,.4,100, Iranian missiles oops he forgot
2. Hezbola attacks into Isreal oops he orgot
3. allegations Israel created isis and Al Queda zero proof
=nonsense

 

3 falsehoods - 3 for 3

No idea what your 4100 iranian missiles gibberish is about
aware that Hezbollah attacks Israel - mentioning it numerous times.

Never said that Israel created ISIS/Al Qaeda - that was another poster - and I corrected that claim.

Do you have anything other than strawman fallacy ?

 

Where do you think they get other rockets from like the Iranian Fajr-5?

 

1-Gwill play dumb as to 4,100 missiles shot into Israel by Hamas were Iranian
2-G will play dumb as to Iran's financing of terror attacks on Israel
3- G says Israel didn't create Al Queda or Isis but it funds them
4-in light of 3, G playsdumb that Al Quaeda and Isis are at war with Israel and suggest Israel is also so dumb as to finance them
5-G provides n no sources for his allegations in 3
6-G claims Scarecrow from Wizard of Oz responded not me.