Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then it's the Russians that are killing the Russian speaking Ukrainians and not the Nazis? I guess they're killing their own people again to make the Ukrainians look bad.

    Sounds to me like something coming out of the Satanist Saul Alinsky's playbook - or could it be projection?


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    and there are those who'll think it's true,
    not knowing they're seeing themselves in you.


    Yet in the past it's been the case,
    of nations that've fallen far from Grace,

    of causing wars - like the one we face.

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    Russians are killing Ukrainians in a bid to steal Ukrainian territory, Jenny. No amount of bad poetry or silly GIFs will alter that fact.

    You know, if Tsar Putin were really concerned about Russians being persecuted in Ukraine (which they are not), he could invite them into Russia for their safety instead of, you know, invading Ukraine and stealing its territory while killing its people for defending themselves.
     
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    Once again: the problem with Ukraine is that Russia doesn't need any advanced technologies, anti ship missiles, free market and so on to reach Ukraine.
    We can come on foot.
     
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    India went with the S-400 as well - against big US protest .. like Turkey

    I am not sure the Patriot is the best we have against cruise missiles - but the fact that it didn't see it coming .. But, that is the thing about these cruise missiles they can follow close above the terrain - so even with the best system you don't see them coming - and this is Iran's missiles .. which are toy story compared to the stuff that the Russia/China/India consortia is fielding.

    The advances in missile technology is a huge game changer - some of these are small enough to be launched from a small boat - thing will go hundreds of miles and hit some target with pinpoint accuracy - and they will not know it is coming until your dead. We were the only ones with this kind of Technology back in the day .. then Russia .. but now .. these kind of missiles are becoming common place .. many nations now working on them.. think Turkey just released a home made version and Japan is getting in on the game ..

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    Classic denial response - demonize the messenger because you can't handle the message. This is now how to win the geopolitical chess game - hiding in the corner and pretending the enemy does not exist.

    You want to live in the "Good ol Days" - when we were unsurpassed in both military and economic might - the only game in town on the planet - and I get it. You are not alone.

    Unfortunately - some of our political leadership is afflicted with the same "Necessary Illusion" - and this clouds our assessment of our position on the geopolitical chessboard - leading to blunders - big ones.

    Are you still living in the fantasy that the main purpose of our military is to protect you ?
     
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    I expect something totally different from KGB/Stasi agent and FSB Director Tsar Vladimir.

    If he conducted a war, I would expect it to be a war by deception.


    Ukraine was the cradle of Holy Rus.

    Ukraine was part of the 900+ years Russian monarchy/empire.

    Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union.

    How do we know there is really a conflict/war between Ukraine and Russia?

    February 18, 2014 [supposedly] there was a revolution in Ukraine causing a [supposed] conflict/war with Russia.

    From February 7 to 23, 2014 Putin hosted Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia. The theme of Putin's opening and closing ceremonies was CIRCUS. One colorful clownish helter-skelter circus-like skit contained both Russian and Ukrainian symbols. See image below and note Russia's St Basil like onion domes, Ukraine's blue and yellow colors and orange [the color of the Ukraine revolution.] Also note the giant pig = Ukraine's [supposed] revolutionary president, Poroshenko, was nick-named "Porky" by Russians.



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    At the end of Putin's closing ceremony, there was a hall of mirrors. A carnival "fun house" also has a hall of mirrors. If you've ever been in one, you know it's difficult to tell illusion from reality.


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    I am not arguing with you. Of course, military PR comes from all sides. And Russia and the US and China ... the EU all extol their military capabilities. But this does not mean any superiority, for example, of the United States over Russia, or vice versa.
    Any conflict that can occur at any point in time can easily lead to full-scale war.
    Which, with a high degree of probability, will lead to an exchange of nuclear strikes. The military doctrine of both Russia and the United States spelled out the possibility of a first nuclear strike.
    Do you think it can't be?
    Let me give you an example. After the First World War, the inhabitants of the whole world were convinced that war was no longer possible. And do you know what they thought was an indestructible argument? They said - war is impossible because they came up with a machine gun.
    But in real life, we know that a few years later there was a second world war, then many smaller wars around the world.
    Therefore, the presence of nuclear weapons will in no way protect the world from war.
     
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    Russia is underpopulated, and Vladimir Putin has offered free land to all Slavs who want to retain their heritage and faith. The Russians in Donbas though refuse give their ancestral homes and lands to the Nazis from Lviv, when the Nationalists have no business being in the Russian part of the country?

    This is not WWII, when the Banderite Nazis were able to massacre the Poles with impunity to steal their lands because of the German occupation. If the Banderites want the Russian lands, they'll have to take it - if they can.
     
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    Ukrainians have no business being in Ukraine? Give it up, Jenny.
     
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    And the latest:

    Russia made an announcement a short while ago that it's now closing the Southern Black Sea region from the 20th of the month until the 24th of April for "rocket launches". This move came after Russia's naval blockade of the Azov Sea and Ukraine's port of Mariapol.

    At the same time, according to foreign news sources, the first Russian forces located next to the Ukrainian border passed through Donetsk.

    In the meantime Ukraine's Civil Protection is telling the people where to go when they hear the sirens.
     
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    To add to what I wrote, Vladimir Putin will be addressing the DUMA on Apr. 21 on something of importance, and he wants an immediate session on it. No doubt it has to do with Ukraine, and probably the union of Belarus with Russia.

    Is this why he's closing the southern Black Sea area on Apr. 20, so Russia's navy can be prepared for any reaction by Nato?
     
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    Lukashenko meets with Putin on April 21, the day after his speech.

    In other news, the Czechs are beginning to walk back their accusations against Russia regarding the ammo dump explosion.
     
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    Russian fighter jet intercepts US, Norwegian patrol aircraft over Barents Sea: report

    more at link

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/...us-norwegian-patrol-aircraft-over-barents-sea


    Russian Jet Intercepts US, Norwegian Patrol Aircraft In 2nd Major Incident In A Week

    Monday, Apr 19, 2021

    A major intercept incident between Russia and US-NATO allied aircraft has occurred over the far northern Barents Sea on Monday.

    "A Russian fighter jet on Monday reportedly intercepted and escorted US and Norwegian patrol aircraft," The Hill reports. "The Russian Defense Ministry said the incident over the body of water near Sweden, Norway, Finland and Russia involved a MiG-31 fighter jet," it continued, based on initial reporting by Russia’s state-run RIA news agency.

    NATO member Norway shares a far northern small section of Arctic border with Russia, thus the region of the Barents Sea has always been a highly sensitive defense sector for the Kremlin, for which it keeps fighter jets at Arctic bases at 'the ready'.

    It comes as tensions are still soaring over Ukraine, and after last week a Russia MiG-31 had intercepted a US spy plane near Russia's far northeast Kamchatka Peninsula over the Pacific Ocean.

    more at link

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...egian-patrol-aircraft-2nd-major-incident-week

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    Got a source?

    U.S. stands with Czech Republic's response to 'Russia's subversive actions'

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    The United States said on Sunday it stood with the Czech Republic after it expelled Russia diplomats and accused Moscow of being behind an explosion at a Czech ammunition dump.

    "The U.S. stands with the Czech Republic in its firm response against Russia’s subversive actions on Czech soil," said State Department spokesman Ned Price in a statement on Twitter.

    "We must act firmly in response to Russian actions that compromise the territorial integrity, energy security, or critical infrastructure of our allies and partners."

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...sponse-russias-subversive-actions-2021-04-18/
     
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    That's interesting... will Lukashenko's heir be there??

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    RT... lol. That looks like a clarification rather than walking something back.


    Babiš: Deadly Russian operation at Czech munitions store not act of state terrorism
    04/19/2021

    The Czech prime minister, Andrej Babiš, says that Russian involvement in explosions at a munitions depot in Moravia in 2014 that left two dead did not constitute state terrorism. Speaking after a government meeting on Monday evening, he said the Russian operation – which resulted in the tit-for-tat expulsion of diplomats in recent days – was rather a botched attack on goods being purchased by a Bulgarian arms dealer.

    ... https://english.radio.cz/babis-dead...nitions-store-not-act-state-terrorism-8715271

    Only Russian propaganda (like RT) would claim that anything is being "walked back" here.
     
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    Looks like the Czechs are coming to their senses. The situation is a little too serious to be playing Washington's games.
     
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    Anything Washington says is propaganda for its domestic audience, and not to be taken seriously. Shouldn't you know that by now?
     
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    Sure. Whatever.

    Why the need for any clarification? Maybe the Czechs went too far?

    How was it a "botched" attack? If it was indeed an attack, it looks like it went off fairly well.

    What about the other ammo dump explosion in the same city a few weeks later? Did the Russians do that one, too?
     
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    Anything Putin's regime says is propaganda for a global audience, though primarily its domestic audience, and is definitely not to be taken seriously. You really ought to know that by now.
     
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    Russia is "underpopulated"?

    Thats the asiatic razguls problem for not f***ing enough....no worries China will fill that gap.
     
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    Oh look...RT news....verbal diarrhea at its finest?
     
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    Too much vodka and too many people clamoring to get out from under Putin's endless poverty-inducing rule.
     
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