Biden to unveil new "plan" to stop Delta variant on Thursday.

Yea, see if the post office can not get Amazon's packages out on time Bezos will cancel Biden's Prime account where Joe gets his Pez deliveries from

 

It is the same old bullshit - it's all about politics, power and control - and it probably won't stand up in court, either.

WHEN YOU AND YOUR PRESIDENCY ARE A FAILURE.....




...give your authoritarian "progressive" base, who you may have seen in a Leni Riefenstahl movie, something to Sieg Heil about...

 

So here's your genius alternative: Cases increase slightly in early July and old Joe clamps down on it with masks and requirements for vaccinations. Is that what you're suggesting should have happened? Yes, it is. Ok, so then what would you say? You would gripe that Joe is using a pile driver to drive a thumb tack. You would scream "TOO MUCH!" and accuse him of pushing for One World Government. So at what point do you say he SHOULD have taken these steps? Never? No matter what he does you would bitch because you are a partisan accuser and there would be no chance of satisfying you.

 

"MISANDRY": “Teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems from the vaccine than be hospitalised from Covid-19, a major study has found.”

Sensible Risk Assessment = Don't Do It!

 

Never said that and now all that you say is pure trash.

Trump Trump Trump. Liberals playing the blame game for their failures.

 

Please explain why the 80 percent that are vaccinated have surging infection numbers

 

No. What was shown is that the initial viral load for Delta is similar in vaccinated and non-vaccinated people in case the vaccinated one catches Delta.

First of all, it's not that the vaccinated have "increased viral load" making them more dangerous for public health. It's that the vaccinated with breakthrough infection has a similar viral load to unvaccinated ones, at first. Not bigger than the unvaccinated one (which would be absurd).

Second, it's later been determined that the initial similar viral load declines among the vaccinated very rapidly (as the secondary immune cascade kicks in, in a mater of a day or so rather than weeks for the unvaccinated) and the high viral load persists among the unvaccinated. Actually the vaccinated breakthrough ones ARE less likely to transmit the virus. It's possible but less likely as compared to unvaccinated, and for a shorter period.

Third, the vaccinated ones are less likely to catch it anyway. You only transmit a virus if you first catch it. So again, being vaccinated does reduce the rate of transmission.

Fourth, the decreased efficacy of vaccines against the Delta seems like entirely reversible with a booster shot. A recent study (August 27th) in Israel involving 1.2 million booster shots showed huge bump in immunity which then did dramatically decrease the odds that the vaccinated-and-boosted individual will catch the virus (even the Delta) in the first place. Again, if you don't catch it, you don't transmit it. (Technically you'd catch a bit of it but would immediately sterilize it with neutralizing antibodies, having no viral load at all, if your titer of neutralizing antibodies is sufficient, and while two doses don't seem to be entirely sufficient for Delta, three doses, that is, basic vaccination + a booster, do seem to be).

If you think you saw "empirical evidence", it came from anti-vaxxer propaganda. The real science behind it is that the vaccines do decrease the likelihood of spreading the disease to others, even when one gets a comparable initial viral load.

Look, I won't repost this evidence here, but I did post it to users btthegreat, Modern Paladin and Zorro in my relatively recent posting history when they asked. If you want to search my posting history you will find it. At this very moment I don't feel like fishing for it again. Once I post something once, it's there and I have fulfilled my obligation of substantiating what I say.

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Just another observation: when public health officials said "take the vaccine, you'll be immune to the virus" while not technically true, it was pragmatically true because this statement was issued before Delta. So, given that the virus evolved, then the advice evolved, which I find to be normal. You wouldn't want outdated advice, would you? This is a novel virus that mutates, so the advice needs to adapt to what the virus does.

And by the way, yes, the vaccines do reduce the symptoms. This is obviously and extensively demonstrated. Look at my thread about recalibrating vaccine expectations. The vaccines continue to prevent most hospitalizations and deaths even with Delta (although less well than before, but this should be restored with boosters - a study with 1.2 million people is very convincing).

 

Are you unhinged? Take a look at my post above, #300.

 

We haven't yet fully recovered from Trump. Your objections are bullshit.

 

Not even close. Numbers are substantially worse today because Biden failed. If Trump was President, that is exactly what you would say so you cannot have it both ways. Especially when your guy promised to solve this immediately upon becoming President.

And tell this much, are there vaccinated people getting Covid? Are there vaccinated people dying from Covid? Are mask wearing people getting Covid? Are mask wearing, vaccinated people getting Covid and spreading it?

Just to help you out. Yes. Yes. Yes. And yes!

 

Did you complain and criticize while Trump was President? Yes. Did you solve the problems with alternative suggestions. NO!

Enough said here.

 

Actually cases are surging because none of the vaccines are effective no matter how many you get, or so says occam's razor

 

Thank you for your failed liberal assessment! Biden is an complete and utter failure. It is the liberal way.

 

Bug Out Biden trying to change the subject from Afghanistan and his COVID disaster.

Masks are here to stay as long as libs need to shame their political enemies.

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Political Tribalizing of the pandemic response.

Follow the Science?

Tribal Allegiance Signalling.

That's not what we see from today's Left.

 

Did I hit a nerve? I fully understand Biden and his Riefenstahlesque base's motives, and they have nothing to do with people's health and welfare.

 

You sure about that? Because the virus is 16 times more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine, like Bowerbird posted, with a link. This study is comparing apples and oranges. Myocarditis versus hospitalizations, not myocarditis (from the vaccines) versus myocarditis (from the virus).

And, beware of lay press misinterpretation of studies.

What the lay press notoriously does is that they misunderstand relative risk and the degree of risk. Myocarditis from the vaccine has been shown to be mild and transient, while myocarditis from the virus has been shown to be a lot more likely to be serious. So if you just go by absolute numbers of myocarditis, not differentiating between mild and transient ones versus severe and persistent ones, you're not looking at the full picture.

You'd have known that if you had clicked through the very link you've provided, and kept clicking to get to the real study which then says this:

"Evidence shows it is unlikely for boys to suffer either heart problems from the vaccine or be hospitalised by Covid."

So, yes, like I've been telling you and others, myocarditis does happen to a small number, but it is MILD!!!! And transient. And DOESN'T result in heart problems. Merely having a bout of short-lived and mild myocarditis is not much of a risk.

Please show me ONE case of a youngster who died of vaccine-induced myocarditis. I do not know of any.

 

"Did you claim that Biden runs a child-sacrifice cannibal ring with Hillary? Yes. Did you do anything to stop it? NO! Enough said here."

Here we are back in middle school.

 

But his approval ratings beat the hell out of Trump's.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-poll-shows-how-bidens-approval-ratings-compare-to-trump

 

SOME DEMS’ LOVE TO WHIP THE WORKING POOR: Biden’s Vaccine Mandate Is an Attack on the Working Poor. Show those serfs who is boss!

Submit! No Jab? No Job!​

Is Biden going to pay for weekly testing?

“the beginning of an authoritarian push to vaccinate every American against COVID-19, regardless of age, medical history, or recovery from the illness previously.”

Run them the fk over! Grind their faces under the jackboot. Show them that the privileged white leftwing gentry run the show!

"Anyone standing in the way will get “run over,” according to Biden advisor Cedric Richmond."

"Biden Advisor Cedric Richmond on vaccine mandates: "Those governors that stand in the way, I think it was very clear from the president's tone today, that he will RUN OVER THEM.""

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"those people “are also disproportionately the people who worked THROUGH THE WHOLE PANDEMIC.”

“Many of them already had COVID,” and it’s insane that antibodies doesn’t [sic] count as an acceptable replacement to the vaccine.”

Don't use reason when the National Socialists want to show who gets to stomp the face of the working class. They hate the working class for not immediately bending the knee when they issue commands.

Vote these crazy bastards out at your first opportunity.

 

No but it looks like I hit a nerve in YOU!

 

But he didn’t exempt them
Postal workers will have a choice between getting the vaccine and getting tested for COVID-19 once a week, a Biden administration official clarified, subjecting those workers to the rules being imposed on business of 100 employees or more, as opposed to the rules for federal employees.

“USPS is not included in the executive order requiring vaccination of Federal employees. USPS has a separate statutory scheme and is traditionally independent of federal personnel actions like this,” a Biden administration official said.

 

Here you go "kid".

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e3.htm

 

Enough with the condescension. And you follow that by pretending that anyone was claiming either was more likely than not?

"Merely having a bout of short-lived and mild myocarditis is not much of a risk."

They aren't at much risk, period.

Have to show them who is wearing the jack boots and who is getting their faces stomped.

 

Show that is more than just your random and unsupported opinion.