Biden received a mandate that he must follow

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  1. FatBack

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    Your fault statement that Trump failed to achieve any of his promises invalidated your op
     
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    And yet he can go nowhere in this nation without being resoundingly booed by random crowds of mixed people
     
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    Our Allies were mad at Trump for pressuring them to put their fair share in NATO. They rather spend it on domestic matters and let America carry the load. Trump would have none of it. He said they put in their fair share or America would pull out of NATO and Europe could go it alone. They didn't like it, but they put in 100 billion dollars worth of arms. How they felt about Trump is nothing compared how Biden pissed them off with that deal with England and Australia that left them out in the cold.
     
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    Absolutely this. That those three have been your top options, in a country with many brilliant people, says a lot about how corrupt and fixed the government system really is.
     
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    If it aint written on his teleprompter, it aint happening.
     
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    Well several of those have been done long before he ever thought about being president.

    Others are not possible. If you're in a country with multiple parties you have to be willing to compromise if you're not you're trying to get done what you want to get done is going to be in a short window. We have a chance to fire or rehire a good chunk of our government every two years.

    Most people fit into the moderate spectrum largely because they don't care. If you push too hard right or too hard left they start caring and that's when you have shifts. So it's important to find a moderate balance.
     
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    He’s already failed.
     
  8. Noone

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    All you know about tRump is spin.

    I know all I need to know about tRump, he's as phoney as a three dollar bill. He turns everything he touches to ****. And, yes, comes out smelling like a rose. No matter how many lives he destroys in the process, HE lands on his feet.

    But if I knew nothing else, I know he tried to destroy our Constitution on January 6th. His followers desecrated the world citidel of freedom, our Capitol. The most beautiful public building on earth, and they wiped their **** on it's walls!

    I know he must be stopped from ever getting near our White House again.

    Given the chance, I know Donald Judas tRump will destroy our country like everything else he's had anything to do with. Hell, he's doing his best right, by god, now, every day in every way he can.

    Why? Because the more he stirs the pot, the more money his blind followers send him.
     
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    That is a bunch of hog wash. Trump neither planned or had any idea they were going to break into the Capital and you can't show me where he did. True, he didn't want the vote to take place till evidence could show that the vote was compromised and he really won. But he was stupid enough to think his VP would be able to do that by not certifying the vote. He did want a big gathering to picket the Capital to put pressure on Congress to go along with it. I don't think he was that upset that many did break in, stupidly thinking that can only help him more as he waited to long to tell them to stop and obey the law. I think others told him that would only hurt him, not help him. But there is nothing to show Trump planned it or encouraged them to do it. He felt his VP would be able to hold it up by not certifying it. You sir are only spinning what you hear from CNN and MSNBC.
     
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    1. www.businessinsider.com › trump-not-directlyFBI finds no evidence that Trump and his allies were directly ...

      The FBI has found no evidence that Trump was directly involved in organizing Capitol-riot violence. It also found little evidence of an organized plot to overturn the election results.

    2. www.msn.com › en-us › newsFBI confirms there was no insurrection on Jan. 6

      By that definition, there was no “insurrection” at the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to the FBI. Reuters reports: The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U ..

      1. www.newsweek.com › fact-check-did-trump-sayFact Check: Did Trump Say to 'Peacefully and Patriotically ...

        Jan 14, 2021 · The president did say that the crowd was going to march peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol. After the attack, Trump said he does not condone violence.
     
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    I watched what happened on January 6th live, I'm spinning nothing from CNN or MSNBC, simply because I don't watch them. In a mornings worth of speeches of hate, division, fight like hell, take back our country ... in all of that there were 3 seconds of peace. And that's what tRumps supporters hang their hat on. :roll: All YOUR spin falls apart with tRump's big lie that he started BEFORE the election and continues to this day. He threatens to ruin anyone that doesn't go along with it, he uses it to fund his failing business's with his followers donations. He even scammed them by ever-greening their donations without their permission.
    Long before January 6th Donald Judas tRump had his, many, day(s) in court and lost every one of them. The only attempt to steal the election was by Donald Judas tRump; and that's on tape.

    He's a lifetime grifter that got lucky with a TV show and parlayed that into a presidency he was ill qualified and ill prepared for. He could have had a lack-luster but sane presidency, but instead, for the first time in my life, there were yelling matches in the Oval Office, tantrums by the president and general discord to the point people feared what he might do with our nuclear weapons. The man is one of, if not THE best con-men the world has ever know; that is his one success.
     
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    Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard ...

    Jan 11, 2021 · The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in

    Why with such a big crowd did the deny the extra security?
     
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    Again, spin I have proven everything I said. Never asked anyone to take my word for it. You sir have proven nothing but make accusation. some true, some not. No, Trump is not a politician. He is a business man and he acts like one. He accomplish a lot in his four years in office which I have shown either on this thread, or a number of others I have answered to. Trump is far from perfect. He talks like a 6th grader. He brags to much. He expect loyalty from his employees and if they can't go along with what he wants to do he fires them which is his right. Trouble is he bad mouths them afterward, which irritates me to no end. If he runs again and wins I would hope to hell he would change his demeaner. But I know what he has done he he has done a hell of a lot to get America back on the right path and have one of the best economies this nation ever had. That sir is what's important to me. I like Trump, believe in putting America first, not the Party as the Democrats have. I have children and grand children I want to see grow and prosper and I saw that under Trump, not Obama. So I can put up with much of his bad points as long as he keeps doing what he did for this country.
     
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    You know what, I'm not reading that, I got to "I have proven everything" and "you have proven nothing"; which on both counts is (if I type it this will get deleted). What I've said is common knowledge, on tape or I have given supporting evidence. I can't help it if you don't like it.

    So, we don't agree; go your way I'll go mine, I'm through beating my head against this wall. Thanks for the opportunity to coalesce my opinions; good bye.
     
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    Good day sir. most of what I said is not opinions. I made a point to post facts and back them up with solid proof. I'm sorry you ignored them. All you, along with many others, is how you hate Trump and he will never do anything right. But before becoming President, he was a one of the Left's favorites.
     
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    that was trump's job. another failure of the failed trump presidency. there are statutes of limitation for a reason.
     
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    To be clear, I am an American, not left, not right, but right down the middle American. I've watched Donald Judas tRump since we were both young businessmen. I've never liked him, he's a blowhard scam artist, always has been, and his business life proves it. I don't hate him, I wouldn't stoop to his level to hate him. I'd love to go back to the days when people would start talking about him and I could roll my eyes and leave the room. "I" view him as a threat to my beloved country, January 6th is fresh in my mind, you can't talk it away. I will oppose Benedict Donald any and every, legal, way I can.
     
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    Your not much different than every Democrat I have talked to, all hate him besides all the things he accomplished while in office. I read once many think Obama was one of the best ten Presidents we ever had. Obama was a good looking smooth talking President that told you just what you wanted to hear, He was squeaky clean as far as they knew. No major scandals and good husband. Yet as President he was a disaster. Had a lousy economy, the worst recovery in 50 years. Left our military a disaster, with 70% of Navy and Marine fighter jets grounded and couldn't fly. Same with Marine heavy lift helicopters. Every major carrier was in need of repair and we had nuclear submarines that some had been out of commission up to four years. One so bad it lost it's diving certificate. His fighting ISIS was a disaster. Allowed them to take over almost half of Iraq before he did much of anything to stop them. Never really got serious fighting them till American heads were chopped off and public pressure forced him. It was only really his last year in office before he went all out on ISIS. By then it was to late. The damage had been done with millions of Muslim fleeing for their life to Europe, which will never be the same again. Neither will America, as we also had to take hundreds of thousands of them in. Up until Obama, race relations were pretty good. But his constant use of racism and pre judging every White cop run in with a Black, especially unarmed one always had a taste of racism in it and had to be investigated by no less than the AG. which almost always found it justified. Race relations has never gotten better. As a matter of fact they only got worse. Democrats found racism in almost everything. It wound up being one of the most used words in the Democratic vocabulary. But Obama is still looked on as one of America's best Presidents. Funny how that happens between Trump and Obama in the public eyes, isn't it? Mr. Squeeky clean a disaster and the other hated by many having one of the best economies in our history. With every minority group seeing the lowest unemployment in their history and the middle class seeing the highest wage gain in their history.
     
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    Smells like ill concealed "buyer's remorse" to me....and I must confess I find it delightful, ESPECIALLY coming from this OP! :D
     
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    Well you got the first but I wouldn't be holding my breath for any "bonuses". :no:
     
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    Laughable, the democrat party is currently too fractured to work with that razor thin edge even with far better, to say nothing of more coherent leadership than China Joe has ever been able to provide.
     
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    Oh please. Even if Donald Trump had succeeded in everything he sought to do what is the worst that would've happened? At worst he would be president today. Which is where something like 74 million American voters wanted him to be. Not exactly a disaster for democracy.
     
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    That's not surprising given that 74 million voted for Trump. They are the ones booing him. US Citizens that still support the first President in history to attempt to hold the office by force. A profligate grifter still soaking folks for every last cent he can take from them. I reckon it was never made clear to me your take on it. Still on team Trump are you?
     
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    Are you trying to promote QAnon conspiracy theories? Or is this meant to be sarcastic?
     
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    Democracy does not mean power in the hands of the people. It's power in the hands of the voters. People who don't vote, don't count.

    Biden only needs the Senate and the House to approve the $3 trillion package. That takes care of his goals pertaining healthcare and AGW. And he can get that done. He only needs to use the power of the bully pulpit to turn two Senators. He doesn't need Congress in order to fulfill the rest. But he does need to be a strong leader. And if he doesn't accomplish them, this administration will have failed.
     
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