Pelosi Says Media Should Do Better Job Selling Dem Agenda

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  1. Bluesguy

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    So what does this say about the current state of our politics that one party, the one that is in power, declares it is the role of the press to sell their agenda and the reason the SOTH Pelosi has not been successful in getting hers and Biden's and the Squad's agenda pass is because the Press is not doing their job in selling it for them.

    Is the Press supposed to a reporter of fact, a neutral reporter of the facts and not a voice for one side or the other? And I'm not talking the Hannity's or the Lemons or the Maddow's who are commentators. Pelosi was speaking to the Capital Hill Press Corp when this exchange took place

    "A reporter asked Pelosi at a Tuesday press briefing if Democrats "need to do a better job at messaging" on their controversial spending package, a crucial part of President Joe Biden's domestic agenda.

    "Well, I think you all could do a better job of selling it, to be very frank with you," Pelosi responded."

    She actually scolded the report for not selling her agenda. THIS is what the Dems believe in their relationship with the Press and I gotta admit I can see why the way the MSM has cowtowed and slanted and filtered it's reporting of the news towards the Dems and the leftis.

    Video here


    More here
    https://freebeacon.com/media/pelosi-media-should-do-better-job-selling-dem-agenda/
     
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    The fake news MSM is the communications arm of the Democrat Party. You know it's bad when their own ilk won't sell it.
     
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    My first reaction was "That's an outrageous thing to say". Then when I watched the clip, I could see what she was trying to say, though the way she phrased it was horrible: essentially, "If people don't know what's in the bill, are the press being negligent in their reporting of the specifics of the package?" But the word "selling' is really bad, and really makes it look like she thinks the press should be naturally on her side (which she may well think, I don't know).
     
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    Considering how often we hear from the Republican side that the only reason their ideas are not as popular as the Democrats', is because of the Leftist media not promoting the Republican perspective, the ironic hypocrisy of this thread is rich, indeed.

    As far as substance, I found it no surprise that you are completely mischaracterizing the exchange in your very brief video (so all should watch it for themselves). The reporter's question begins, by noting that only 10% of voters know what is in the infrastructure package. Then she asks Pelosi if Dems need to do a better job "selling," it. Notice that what the reporter obviously means by the expression, is making people aware of what is in the package. It is in this context that the Speaker says that the press could do a better job, "selling it," since she is up in front of them, every day, telling the press pool what is in the package. So Pelosi's clear meaning, is that the press could do a better job REPORTING these details to the public. That is, after all, their job.

    And your making this out to be something much different than that, is very sad, that you do not consider such dishonesty beneath yourself. (Desperate times...?)
     
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  5. Bluesguy

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    I don't believe it is the job of what little non-MSM reporting there is to sell a party's or an administration's agenda either do you?

    The context was quite clear from what I posted. Pelosi said it is the job of the press to SELL her agenda, that is fallacious NONSENSE and shows she now thinks the Press is not that 4th branch of government which is supposed to hold her accountable but a PR branch for her agenda. She didn't say REPORTING, sorry you don't get to put different words in her mouth.

    And BTW if you start with the you are dishonest ad homs your post will be reported and it will be deleted. If only shows the lack of merit in your argument.
     
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    No one knows what is in the bill, the DEMS can't decide what will be in the bill and it's HUGE. She clearly said SELL it, has she retracted it? No. It is EXACTLY what they expect from the MSM which has gone along with all their schemes and spins.
     
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    MSM is the only real and trustworthy news.

    At least they're trying and making progress on a bill. What ever happened to Trump's "great healthcare"?
     
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    If you're going to be honest, you have to admit that the reporter said the word "sell" first in her question, which Pelosi then mirrored (something I had missed when I made my first comment). It still sounds bad, but one could put it down to a kind of mis-speaking, the reporter asking whether the administration was communicating effectively, and Pelosi responding by asking whether the media are communicating the particulars of the package effectively, overlooking some connotations of the word "sell". I know you'll think that is overly generous, but it's not an unreasonable interpretation, especially as she immediately shot back with her comment even before the question was over.

    If, out of the blue, she had said the media should sell the dems' agenda better (which the headline suggests), I'd be right with you. But the context is something significantly different from that. The section of the article you post is pretty misleading in omitting the reporter using the word "sell". Isn't that exactly the kind of misdirection you hate in the MSM?
     
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    Dude, the reporter clearly said SELL. Pelosi is answering the reporters question with the same word, SELL, that the reporter said.

    Your entire OP is a yuge nothingburger.
     
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    How do you sell it when no one knows what's in it? Pelosi is so very used to the media being the propaganda arm of the DNC, but event he media is not buying into everything these days as their gas has gone up, illegals are moving into their towns, and we're getting closer and closer to all being required to speak chinese when praying to allah.
     
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    I think we might need a fact-check for that last bit.
     
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    How do you fact check a prediction?
     
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    Um, I didn't actually think he was serious.
     
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    Dude the reporter asked Pelosi how SHE was going to sell it the reporter was not volunteering to do so, Pelosi said the PRESS were the ones failing to sell it for her. You entire responses so far have contained nothing of merit and you're making up what people say.
     
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    Of course it is. Look where this non-story came from: https://freebeacon.com
     
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    Nothing you posted negates the fact that Pelosi is answering the reporters question with the reporters own word......sell.

    Yuuuuuuuggee nothingburger.
     
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    Well DUH. Pelosi and the Dems have to sell their plan to the American People. It was a reasonable question to ask her. It's not the Press's job to do so and Pelosi trying to blame them on them shows how the Dems have come to expect the MSM is going to support their agenda and sell it. The whole idea that a politician would demand the Press sell their agenda for them goes 100% against what is supposed to be the relationship between the government and the press.
     
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    Pelosi didn't answer how SHE was going to sell her agenda which is HER job, she chastised the Press for not doing a job of it which is NOT their job.
     
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    And they are supposed to sell the agenda of a political party and Pelosi is right to blame them for the lack of support for hers because they are not selling enough?
     
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    My argument stood very well on its own, which is why I left my comment on the disappointing depths, to which it seemed you had sunk, until the end. But, in expectation of the coming deletion of that post (even though I can see no reason why that final paragraph could not simply be edited out)-- and I thank you for the heads up, on your intention--
    I will reproduce that argument, here, without the offensive conclusion:


    No, I don't; did you bother to read my reply? Because I very clearly said that actively promoting the Democratic plan, it should be obvious to anyone, was not the meaning of Pelosi's comment. That is why I had assumed you were purposefully misrepresenting it. But I will accept your correction, that you actually believe your preposterous charge. Pelosi was only using the same terminology as the questioner had. And both were using that phrase, incorrectly, based on their meaning, to mean "inform the public of the details." And I do believe that this IS the role, & obligation, of the press. Don't you?

    Yes, the video's context was quite clear. And the way you described it, was clear. Problem is, those two contexts are not at all the same.

    Your suggestion that she had meant anything more than that the details of this important, and expensive, legislation, which Pelosi has gone over, ad nauseum, with the press, should by all rights be part of their articles ON the bill. Are you contending that to explain what is proposed for this package, is NOT the central information that the press is responsible for relating to the public?
     
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    No, she answered the reporters question using the reporters own word....sell.

    Nothingburger
     
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    That is about as non-responsive as a post can get. If you want, you can go back and comment on my suggested interpretation of the incident, and on the deceptive presentation of the exchange in your article.
     
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    Could you imagine if Trump had the media in his pocket and Vegetable China Joe had 93% negative coverage??? It would be hard to steal an election when the winning candidate received over 80% of the vote.
     
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    What a bogus argument. She could have used the same terminology and answered "This is how I am going to sell it" and then gone on to explain how SHE and the Dems are going to sell it. That would have been the correct answer. Instead she blamed the lack of selling on her assertion the Press was not doing a good job of selling it. Your argument, the same others are desperate to make now, is nonsensical.

    No it is yours and others who are trying to create a context that does not exist, the video is quite clear. She is upset with them because they are doing what she thinks they should be doing since they have been doing it for years now.

    She wasn't asked what is in it she was asked how SHE was going to SELL it since the public doesn't seem to be buying it.
     
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    It was a DIRECT response to it, your claim she was mimicking the reporter is nonsensical, the reporter was asking how SHE, Pelosi, was going to do something and Pelosi returned with a complaint the Press wasn't doing it enough, which is NOT their job. The reporter didn't ask her if she thought the Press was doing enough to sell her agenda.
     
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