Investigating the Jan 6 th Uprising.

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  1. glitch

    glitch Well-Known Member

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    I have not seen probable cause to suspect the administration was involved in any crime. The FBI says no insurrection. Without insurrection then no crime and with no crime then no justification for violating EP. They need evidence of an actual crime.
     
  2. fullmetaljack

    fullmetaljack Well-Known Member

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    Of course you don't suspect this administration of anything. Luckily for us, non-Trump supporters do.
     
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  3. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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  4. Bluesguy

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    Pure conjecture and supposition. The person who fired the shot when there was no imminent danger to anyone is responsible.
     
  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    There have been over 600 arrest and everyone on the right I have read here has said anyone who committed a crime that day should be prosecuted, what are you talking about?
     
  6. glitch

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    I was speaking directly to Jan. 6. You don't get to violate EP because you suspect something may have been going on. You need to show evidence of a crime and the FBI says it never happened. I side with the FBI's fact gathering over your partisan suspicions.
     
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  7. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Of course not, there were about 200 stationed in other parts of the city to help with traffic control as the DC police had previously requested. But even those could not be reassigned at the drop of a hat, there are specific procedures to deploy federal troops onto the streets. The extra security had been offered to the DC and CP police departments for duty at the Capital, it was turned down.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    What exactly do you "suspect" them of and be specific with the evidence that arouses this suspicion. Why hasn't the FBI turned it up? Why hasn't the DC police force or CP police force?
     
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    You’re confused about so many things.
    There’s no violation of EP.
    There is a waiver of EP. It is POTUS’ right to claim or waive EP. Biden is POTUS. He is the only person who can claim or waive EP. He has decided to waive it.
     
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    And Trump can file a legal challenge in D.C. Federal court.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    Yes he is not doing his duty as President to protect that long established EP and the separation of powers between the branches. He is creating a precedent that may come back to haunt him and make his job much more difficult because now his advisers will be very reluctant to have open and free deliberative discussions with him as will be the same with all future Presidents.

    What is it exactly do these Dems and anti-Trump RINOS think they are going to find? What is it they are looking for that has ANYTHING to do with Congress and it's role as the LEGISLATIVE body?
     
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    Lol…that’s generous of you. But the January 6 insurrection was much more serious that 9/11.

    The terrorist attack galvanised us and made us stronger.
    After a disputed election and lots of partisan anger, Bush jr earned a 90% approval rating from the country when we were attacked.
    By the way, trump bragged at the time that with the twin towers down, he now owned the tallest building in New York. He lied, as usual.

    The attempted coup by trump, and the seditious rhetoric still spouted by his cult, have wreaked us and hurt our country.
    The more it is denied by repubs, the more damage it does.
     
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    He can try. Assuming he wants to cover up how reprehensibly he acted.

    Although I’m also reading that top lawyers consider him toxic so they refuse to represent him.
     
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    What precedent? EP has been waived - or not claimed - many times in the past.

    Opening the book on an attack on American democracy is a very good reason to waive EP.
     
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    When several hundred unarmed people exercise their 1st Amendment rights and it's falsely called an "insurrection," that is serious.
     
  16. Mircea

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    And, he would "immediately" call them off, how, exactly?

    Are you suggesting that those persons exercising their 1st Amendment rights were telepathically connected to Trump?

    I sure hope not, because that would be absurd.
     
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    Only they didn't. Their 1st Amendment cover ended when they violently broke into the Capitol, committing an Insurrection at the direction of a sitting President.

    So @Bluesguy , @glitch and @Mircea don't believe any crime at all was committed ? And they aren't interested in an investigation by lawfully convened representatives of this government ?

    Now THAT would be absurd !
     
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    Wow, talk about totally misrepresenting. Of course there were crimes committed and those people are being prosecuted. But the FBI says the above never happened, but your feelings override the FBI analysis of hundreds of witnesses I do suppose.
     
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    Capitol Police officer charged with helping hide a Jan. 6 rioter's participation

    "A 25-year veteran of the U.S. Capitol police force was charged Friday with trying to protect a person who was later accused of illegally entering the Capitol during the Jan. 6 riot. A grand jury indictment charged Officer Michael Angelo Riley with repeatedly telling a person to delete all social media that would provide proof of entering the building that day."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...=857693951420692326&utm_medium=Email Sailthru
     
  20. jack4freedom

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    Along with the US Congress, the DOJ and most of the American people.
     
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    How on earth did you derive that fallacious statement from what I have posted?
     
  22. Bluesguy

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    Giving up the separation of powers between the branches, could Trump have demanded all of Pelosi and Schumer and Swallwell and Schiff internal memo's and emails and call their staff to the WH to give depositions as to what they discussed? Precedents are used routinely to do certain things and if the Republicans take back the Congress and try to get internal communications from Biden what leg would he have to stand on to deny them?
     
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    He can to protect the Office of the President from such unconstitutional intrusions by the Legislative Branch.
     
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    He wouldn’t have any leg to stand on, once he is no longer POTUS. That’s the way it works.

    Anyway, I doubt Biden will try to steal the election and hold onto power illegitimately, the way trump did.
     
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    AS President could he have done so, I would have thought that was clear?

    Try again

    Giving up the separation of powers between the branches, could Trump have demanded all of Pelosi and Schumer and Swallwell and Schiff internal memo's and emails and call their staff to the WH to give depositions as to what they discussed? Precedents are used routinely to do certain things and if the Republicans take back the Congress and try to get internal communications from Biden what leg would he have to stand on to deny them?


    Biden was part of the attempts to steal the election and then deny Trump in 2016.
     

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