Literally hundreds of Trump believers engaging in telephone terrorism

Yeah, well even 20-30% of Democrats believed Biden stole the election:

"How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?"
Democrats - 30% - 20% say Very Likely (VL)
Unaffiliated - 39% - 29% say VL
Republicans - 75% - 61% say VL
All Voters - 47% - 36% say VL ​

 

No, and that's the point: Leftists are so corrupt and power mad, they don't even understand the problem!

Trump would have acknowledged defeat and so would Republicans if it had been an honest election. Somehow we just won't accept that cheatin' Joe is president.

 

Don't be absurd! When the "justice" department is in the hands of your political opponents, none of those stats matter.

And would you like me to quote the definition of "fascists"? You seem to have missed the crucial point.

I will if you ask me to.

 

Except for the fact that before the election even started trump said the only way that dems could win is by cheating.

 

My grandparents lived in Germany during the 30s, so I know what real fascism and tyranny look like.

 

"Continue the voting results"? The results are in. You aren't making any sense.

 

Polls gauge belief. They gauge feelings. They are not a substitute for evidence, which you guys have failed, for about a year now, to produce.

 

Are you joking?

 

YOur evidence is on fringe groups, my evidence is on the LEADER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

This is a truncated list of all the ones I have who say Trump is a fascist dictator wannabe

Madeleine Albright. "Will we stop Trump before it's too late." The New York Times. April 6, 2018.

Daniel Altman. "This is how every genocide begins." Foreign Policy. November 30, 2017.

Samir Amin. "The return of fascism in contemporary capitalism." Monthly Review. September 2014.

Associated Press. "Obama: Protect democracy or risk taking path of Nazi Germany." CBS News online. December 9, 2017.

Peter Beinart. "Why Trump supporters believe he is not corrupt." The Atlantic. August 22, 2018.

Ruth Ben-Ghiat. “An American authoritarian: The Republican presidential candidate is not a fascist, but his campaign bears notable similarities to the reign of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini.” The Atlantic. August 10, 2016.

Roger Berkowitz. "Why Arendt matters: Revisiting 'The Origins of Totalitarianism'." Los Angeles Review of Books. March 18, 2017

Noah Berlatsky. "The Trump effect: New study connects white American intolerance and support for authoritarianism." NBCnews.com. May 27, 2018.

Mark Bickhard. " The scary parallels between Trump and Musollini." Rawstory. March 21, 2017

Joan Biskupic. "Trump's sustained attacks on American rights.' CNN.com. May 27, 2018.

Aaron Blake. “Stephen Miller’s authoritarian declaration: Trump’s national security actions ‘will not be questioned.” Washington Post. February 13, 201

Paul Blumenthal. "This stunningly racist French novel is how Steve Bannon explains the world. Huffington Post. March 4, 2017.

William Boardman. “Constitutional crisis deepens as Trump fights checks and balances.” Reader Supported News Online. February 11, 2017.

Tom Boggiani. "Trump sucks his followers in by using the language of fascists: Yale linguistics expert." Rawstory. May 25, 2019.

Christopher Browning. "Lessons from Hitler's Rise." New York Review of Books. April 20, 2017.

Christopher Browning. "The Suffocation of Democracy." New York Review of Books. October 25, 2018.

Jonathan Chait. "The Republican Party's gearing up for war on the rule of law." New York Magazine. October 30, 2017.

Isaac Chotiner. “How much do the early days of the Trump administration look like the Third Reich?” Interview with historian Richard Evans. Slate. February 10, 2017.

Issac Chotiner. “Is Donald Trump a fascist? Yes and no.” An Interview with Robert Paxton. Slate. February 10, 2016.

Isaac Chotiner. “Too Close for comfort: how much do the early days of the Trump administration look like the Third Reich?" Interview with historian Richard Evans." Slate. February 10, 2017.

Sarah Churchwell. "American fascism: It has happened here." The New York Review of Books. June 22, 2020.

Chauncey DeVega. "Are white people ready to bail on democracy? These researchers say the danger is real." Salon. August 2, 2018.

Chauncey DeVega. "Soldiers of the boogaloo: David Neiwert on the far right's plans for a new civil war." Salon. May 18, 2020.

Lee Drutman, Larry Diamond and Joe Goldman. "Follow the leader: Exploring American support for democracy and authoritarianism." Voter Study Group. February 2018.

Lee Drutman, Larry Diamond and Joe Goldman. "Testing the limits: Examining public support for checks on presidential power." Voter Study Group. June 2018

The Economist. “America’s system of checks and balances might struggle to contain a despot.” February 4, 2017.

Geoff Eley. "Is Trump a fascist?" Historians for Peace and Democracy. Summer 2017.

Ellen Grey Ellis. "The internet protocols of the elders of Zion." Wired. March 12, 2017.

John Feffer. "The Trump dystopian nightmare: Nucelar war, climate change and a clash of civilizations are all on the horizon." Alternet. March 12, 2017

Reza Fiyouzat. "Trump in perespective: Fascism or just more barbarism?" Counterpunch. March 12, 2017.

Mark Follman. "Trumpocracy: Tracking the creeping authoritarianism of the 45th president." Mother Jones. December 4, 2017.

John Bellamy Foster. "Neofascism in the White House." Monthly Review. April, 2017.

John Bellamy Foster. "This is not populism." Monthly Review. June 2017.

Richard E. Frankel. "Here is how Donald Trump becomes a dictator." Raw Story. October 5, 2018.

Richard E. Frankel. "A professor of German history explains the true horror of Trump’s response to Charlottesville." Raw Story. August 16, 2017.

David Frum. “How to build an autocracy.” The Atlantic. January 30, 2017.

Megan Garber. “‘First they came’: The poem of the protests, Martin Niemöller’s lines, written just after the Holocaust, argued against apathy—and for the moral connectedness of all people.” The Atlantic. January 29, 2017.

Masha Gessen, “Autocracy: Rules for survival.” New York Review of Books. November 10, 2016.

Henry Giroux. "Donald Trump's fascist politics and the language of fascism." Raw Story. November 18, 2018.

Henry Giroux. "Facism starts with words - and Trump has a startling romance with the rhetoric of dictators." Raw Story. January 11, 2018.

Henry Giroux. " The Hardening of Society and the Rise of Cultures of Cruelty in Neo-Fascist America." Counterpunch. March 17, 2017.

Henry Giroux. "Neoliberal fascism and the echoes of echoes of history." Truthdig. August 2, 2018.

Henry Giroux. "Rethinking the normalization of fascism in the post-truth era." Tikkun. April 1, 2019.

Amy Goodman. “Noam Chomsky: Trump's victory recalls memories of Hitler & fascism's spread across Europe.” Democracy Now. Interview with Noam Chomsky. December 6, 2016.

Van Gosse. "An 'illiberal democracy' if Trump wins again." Organizing Upgrade. May 14, 2020.

Rosie Gray. “The nationalist right is coming for Reince Priebus.” The Atlantic. February 14, 2017.

Zoltan Grossman. "Fascism denial ignores some inconvenient truths." ZNet. October 29, 2018.

Andrew Gumbel. "Is This Fascism?" Los Angeles Review of Books. July 24, 2017.

Alexandra Hall. "Controversial Proud Boys embrace 'Western values,' reject feminism and political correctness." WisconsinWatch.org. November 26, 2017.

John Haltiwanger. "'There need to be mass protests': Authoritarianism experts say time is running out for Americans to stop Trump." Business Insider. February 12, 2020.

Bernard E. Harcourt. "How Trump fuels the fascist right." The New York Review of Books. November 29, 2018.

Josh Harkinson. “The dark history of the White House aides who crafted Trump's ‘Muslim ban’: Here's how Stephen Bannon and Stephen Miller have been boosters of Islamophobes and white nationalists." Mother Jones. January 30, 2017.

Josh Harkinson. “Meet the white nationalist trying to ride the Trump train to lasting power: Alt-right architect aims to make racism cool again.” Mother Jones. October 27, 2016.

Thom Hartmann. “It can still happen here: Donald Trump, Ben Carson and the “American fascists” among us. Sinclair Lewis feared demagoguery and a corporate ruling class. The right is bringing his dystopia to fruition.” Salon. November 4, 2015.

Head Space Blog. “History repeats itself: National Socialism – past and present: The psychology of Nazism.” February 15, 2016.

Chris Hedges. “Donald Trump: The dress rehearsal for fascism.” Truthdig.com. October 16, 2016.

Chris Hedges. "A Last Chance for Resistance." Truthdig.com. March 19, 2017.

Chris Hedges. “Make America ungovernable.” Truthdig.com. February 5, 2017.

Aleksander Hemon. "Trump’s nationalism advances on a predictable trajectory to violence. His supporters will kill when they’re told to." The Intercept. May 2, 2020.

Clive Irving. "It is happening here, Trump is already early-stage Mussolini." The Daily Beast. June 30, 2018

 

Oh, I understand the problem. The problem is that with all the court cases and recounts nobody has found any election was stolen. In fact the 2020 was the cleanest, most reliable, least corrupted in a hell of a long time. And NO ONE has proved otherwise.

 

Yeah, that's rich, when we have right wingers shouting "lock her up' and republican leaders encouraging it.

Give me a break.

 

So you're honestly so over-the-top that you think BLM, Antifa, the communist party, FBI, DoJ, mainstream media, and the social media companies are all owned and controlled by Democratic representatives and senators????? LOL!!!! Talk about FRINGE THINKING!!!!! LOL!!!!

 

He had a right to do it, but not if he had no evidence.

Which, after losing over 60 court battles, he most certainly did not.

Flimsy? Shaking down a foreign leader for political gain is not flimsy.

Trump has convince 70 million people that the vote was rigged.

That has done more to destroy confidence in American democracy more than any president in history.

He declared that the free press was the 'enemy of the people'

That's what dictators do.

He is a threat to us National Security


I'm not the only one who thinks so:



Madeleine Albright. "Will we stop Trump before it's too late." The New York Times. April 6, 2018.

Daniel Altman. "This is how every genocide begins." Foreign Policy. November 30, 2017.

Samir Amin. "The return of fascism in contemporary capitalism." Monthly Review. September 2014.

Associated Press. "Obama: Protect democracy or risk taking path of Nazi Germany." CBS News online. December 9, 2017.

Peter Beinart. "Why Trump supporters believe he is not corrupt." The Atlantic. August 22, 2018.

Ruth Ben-Ghiat. “An American authoritarian: The Republican presidential candidate is not a fascist, but his campaign bears notable similarities to the reign of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini.” The Atlantic. August 10, 2016.

Roger Berkowitz. "Why Arendt matters: Revisiting 'The Origins of Totalitarianism'." Los Angeles Review of Books. March 18, 2017

Noah Berlatsky. "The Trump effect: New study connects white American intolerance and support for authoritarianism." NBCnews.com. May 27, 2018.

Mark Bickhard. " The scary parallels between Trump and Musollini." Rawstory. March 21, 2017

Joan Biskupic. "Trump's sustained attacks on American rights.' CNN.com. May 27, 2018.

Aaron Blake. “Stephen Miller’s authoritarian declaration: Trump’s national security actions ‘will not be questioned.” Washington Post. February 13, 201

Paul Blumenthal. "This stunningly racist French novel is how Steve Bannon explains the world. Huffington Post. March 4, 2017.

William Boardman. “Constitutional crisis deepens as Trump fights checks and balances.” Reader Supported News Online. February 11, 2017.

Tom Boggiani. "Trump sucks his followers in by using the language of fascists: Yale linguistics expert." Rawstory. May 25, 2019.

Christopher Browning. "Lessons from Hitler's Rise." New York Review of Books. April 20, 2017.

Christopher Browning. "The Suffocation of Democracy." New York Review of Books. October 25, 2018.

Jonathan Chait. "The Republican Party's gearing up for war on the rule of law." New York Magazine. October 30, 2017.

Isaac Chotiner. “How much do the early days of the Trump administration look like the Third Reich?” Interview with historian Richard Evans. Slate. February 10, 2017.

Issac Chotiner. “Is Donald Trump a fascist? Yes and no.” An Interview with Robert Paxton. Slate. February 10, 2016.

Isaac Chotiner. “Too Close for comfort: how much do the early days of the Trump administration look like the Third Reich?" Interview with historian Richard Evans." Slate. February 10, 2017.

Sarah Churchwell. "American fascism: It has happened here." The New York Review of Books. June 22, 2020.

Chauncey DeVega. "Are white people ready to bail on democracy? These researchers say the danger is real." Salon. August 2, 2018.

Chauncey DeVega. "Soldiers of the boogaloo: David Neiwert on the far right's plans for a new civil war." Salon. May 18, 2020.

Lee Drutman, Larry Diamond and Joe Goldman. "Follow the leader: Exploring American support for democracy and authoritarianism." Voter Study Group. February 2018.

Lee Drutman, Larry Diamond and Joe Goldman. "Testing the limits: Examining public support for checks on presidential power." Voter Study Group. June 2018

The Economist. “America’s system of checks and balances might struggle to contain a despot.” February 4, 2017.

Geoff Eley. "Is Trump a fascist?" Historians for Peace and Democracy. Summer 2017.

Ellen Grey Ellis. "The internet protocols of the elders of Zion." Wired. March 12, 2017.

John Feffer. "The Trump dystopian nightmare: Nucelar war, climate change and a clash of civilizations are all on the horizon." Alternet. March 12, 2017

Reza Fiyouzat. "Trump in perespective: Fascism or just more barbarism?" Counterpunch. March 12, 2017.

Mark Follman. "Trumpocracy: Tracking the creeping authoritarianism of the 45th president." Mother Jones. December 4, 2017.

John Bellamy Foster. "Neofascism in the White House." Monthly Review. April, 2017.

John Bellamy Foster. "This is not populism." Monthly Review. June 2017.

Richard E. Frankel. "Here is how Donald Trump becomes a dictator." Raw Story. October 5, 2018.

Richard E. Frankel. "A professor of German history explains the true horror of Trump’s response to Charlottesville." Raw Story. August 16, 2017.

David Frum. “How to build an autocracy.” The Atlantic. January 30, 2017.

Megan Garber. “‘First they came’: The poem of the protests, Martin Niemöller’s lines, written just after the Holocaust, argued against apathy—and for the moral connectedness of all people.” The Atlantic. January 29, 2017.

Masha Gessen, “Autocracy: Rules for survival.” New York Review of Books. November 10, 2016.

Henry Giroux. "Donald Trump's fascist politics and the language of fascism." Raw Story. November 18, 2018.

Henry Giroux. "Facism starts with words - and Trump has a startling romance with the rhetoric of dictators." Raw Story. January 11, 2018.

Henry Giroux. " The Hardening of Society and the Rise of Cultures of Cruelty in Neo-Fascist America." Counterpunch. March 17, 2017.

Henry Giroux. "Neoliberal fascism and the echoes of echoes of history." Truthdig. August 2, 2018.

Henry Giroux. "Rethinking the normalization of fascism in the post-truth era." Tikkun. April 1, 2019.

Amy Goodman. “Noam Chomsky: Trump's victory recalls memories of Hitler & fascism's spread across Europe.” Democracy Now. Interview with Noam Chomsky. December 6, 2016.

Van Gosse. "An 'illiberal democracy' if Trump wins again." Organizing Upgrade. May 14, 2020.

Rosie Gray. “The nationalist right is coming for Reince Priebus.” The Atlantic. February 14, 2017.

Zoltan Grossman. "Fascism denial ignores some inconvenient truths." ZNet. October 29, 2018.

Andrew Gumbel. "Is This Fascism?" Los Angeles Review of Books. July 24, 2017.

Alexandra Hall. "Controversial Proud Boys embrace 'Western values,' reject feminism and political correctness." WisconsinWatch.org. November 26, 2017.

John Haltiwanger. "'There need to be mass protests': Authoritarianism experts say time is running out for Americans to stop Trump." Business Insider. February 12, 2020.

Bernard E. Harcourt. "How Trump fuels the fascist right." The New York Review of Books. November 29, 2018.

Josh Harkinson. “The dark history of the White House aides who crafted Trump's ‘Muslim ban’: Here's how Stephen Bannon and Stephen Miller have been boosters of Islamophobes and white nationalists." Mother Jones. January 30, 2017.

Josh Harkinson. “Meet the white nationalist trying to ride the Trump train to lasting power: Alt-right architect aims to make racism cool again.” Mother Jones. October 27, 2016.

Thom Hartmann. “It can still happen here: Donald Trump, Ben Carson and the “American fascists” among us. Sinclair Lewis feared demagoguery and a corporate ruling class. The right is bringing his dystopia to fruition.” Salon. November 4, 2015.

Head Space Blog. “History repeats itself: National Socialism – past and present: The psychology of Nazism.” February 15, 2016.

Chris Hedges. “Donald Trump: The dress rehearsal for fascism.” Truthdig.com. October 16, 2016.

Aleksander Hemon. "Trump’s nationalism advances on a predictable trajectory to violence. His supporters will kill when they’re told to." The Intercept. May 2, 2020.

Clive Irving. "It is happening here, Trump is already early-stage Mussolini." The Daily Beast. June 30, 2018

 

Let's debate, whenever you're ready.

I'll expect a cogent, coherent, rational argument based on evidence, or backed up by credible prominent persons and/or credible sources ( a decent rating at mediabiasfactcheck.org will do), devoid of loaded phrases, weasel words, thought-terminating clichés, or any one of the non arguments, typical among right wingers, noting that cutting and pasting is not a sin if the information is relevant, and I always source, if I didn't write it myself, so.....arguments sans.........

arguments where the salient premise is based on:
non arguments, a non argument isn't really debatable or it's not worthy of debate owing to any of the following types, they come in many different flavors, especially those which contain vacuous declarations and/or allegations (which cannot be substantiated, i.e., 'making stuff up'), rebuttals rife with weasel words ( improper use of generalities such as 'some people are saying' 'everyone knows' 'well-established fact'.) ad hominems, loaded terms & phrases,, off topic/irrelevant deflections, sentiments (words that reveal emotional attitude devoid of fact, logic and reason) off point arguments/deflections (off point is a sibling to off topic, where off topic is attempting to highjack the thread. It's done a lot in internet forums, and if the person to whom you directed the topic change accepts it, then you're off into a new direction, but, as such, of course, doesn't refute the original premise offered), egregious strawman arguments, egregious cynicism, off-the-charts ill-logic, 'kill the messenger" tactics, i.e., attacking the person presenting the argument rather than the argument, itself ( the only time kill the messenger is valid is for a well-established discredited source, such as Alex Jones, David Duke, etc, ), childish remarks, trivialising your opponent's argument -- cheap shot, childish or sophomoric comments/logic arising from ignorance (for example, NYTimes is a 'radical leftist rag' -- that's a remark born out of ignorance, it's also an 'kill the messenger' tactic) and then there is the classic thought-terminating cliché; these are cult-tropes, born out of groups who have a demagogue leader who is the master of implanting them in his flock. See, the demagogue doesn't like dissent, so when anyone challenges someone in his flock, he, being a master mind manipulator, will have planted a number of thought-terminating clichés into the minds of his subjects ( via repetition) so they will toss it up to the opponent in an attempt to kill the conversation ( wrongfully thinking it improves their argument ) so TTCs are simple terms catch phrases or words whose sole purpose is, to kill the conversation, such as 'TDS' "NeverTrumper" "Leftist Loony" (noting that the terms are not necessarily devised by the demagogue himself, they could be created by other believers, or have already been around and adopted by and they catch on with the group ) etc., pithy aphorisms assumed to be always true ( aphorisms exist because empirical observations tend to be true, but cannot be used as the salient premise to refute an argument as they are not, nor cannot be, absolute axioms), last, but not least, and a significant debate sin, is posturing; posturing type comments, come in two basic categories, one is where you flaunt, i.e, for example, your education, your age, military service, etc., but of course if the argument can be improved by your qualifications of expertise in a field, that is okay, what I mean is something like 'I served while you were dodging the draft" whereupon your service doesn't improve your argument about whether dodging the draft was moral, or not, or flaunting your education, age or authority of some kind, unless it's pertinent to the argument, noting that relying solely on 'authority' is considered a logical fallacy ( but can be appropriate if pertinent and used to supplement other more corroborative items used to buttress the argument ) and the other type of posturing are those comments which are motivated by puffing oneself up, and this is done by shaming, belittling, mocking, patronizing, 'mansplaining', flaming, where one talks down to ones opponent in order to puff oneself up under the misguided notion that doing so improves one's argument, which, of course, it most certainly does not.

In fact, these inventory of debate sins are so common, even those who are skilled in debates still make them, (yes, I'm guilty at times, though I strive not to be, being mindful of such things) but the point is always, 'is the pseudo debate trick the salient part of the argument, is the premise of the argument based on any of them? That's when you get this boiler plated prewritten response because it doesn't deserve an individualized response.

 

Well, if they and the FBI say it's terrorism, that's good enough for me. I'll take their word over yours.

Sorry.

 

These people are out of control. The right wing radicalization is almost complete.

 

Check out the first 3 links.

 

Trusting an FBI that's shown it can't be trusted? Oh, right, that's because they support you guys. ​

 

And then you vomit forth word salad aplenty. If you don't understand topics well enough to boil them down to their essence in a sentence or two, I won't waste time trying to decipher your replies. However, if you can post something salient, fact filled and concise, I'll reply likewise.

 

They can't move on. Trump has such a hold on them that they have bought into his false alternate reality of lies .


There is no reasoning with that cult like mentality now. They are as delusional as he is. Don't recall any election having been examined as thoroughly as the last one...........or as legally tested. ..........and yet the delusions continue. In fact these delusions are a threat to the democracy.......... winch one can interpret as this group no longer is happy with the democratic system........and are prepared to do violence to get what they want.............THAT is frightening for the nation as a whole. This country is very fractured.........and not very stable right now. There is more fanaticism dangerous degree
As long as Trump remains in the picture..........and continues to grow massive funds from is supporters............ he continues to be an influence. (and his gang of supporters won't let him go ........which is what he wants. as it feeds his ego )

What the Trump R's do now......is project all the negatives of this onto the democrats............as their hatred of the Dems intensities. dividing the nation even further.

Trump will remain evasive and tease his followers (and everyone) about running next time. He will just dangle them on a string..........as this makes him feel powerful too. (and gives him the attention he so craves)

He is a fascinating case from a psychological point of view.

 

Not to mention when you don’t agree with em your a “racist”. A term no longer relevant because they beat it to death.

 

Perhaps a thread should be started for "trashing" the dems/ libs.............

 

Terrorism? Considering how you guys rewarded the Taliban, I should think then we will be getting some free hand outs soon, ya?

 

No one "rewarded" the Taliban...........The Taliban outsmarted the USA. And were prepared to go as low a s no sane military would go to win..

But that is another topic...

 

So, apparently these "Trump supporters" have borrowed a page from the LW playbook.