France Orders Mosque Closed after 'Unacceptable' Preaching

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Going to respond to all three of these because they’re basically the same.

No.

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Depends solely on what the "other groups" are encouraging their flocks to think and do.
First, no religious influencer has the right, under French laws of secularity, to mix itself into French law. True a close examination of the exact text under discussion is necessary, but the idea that a faith based person of influence of any description can pass judgement on French law is illegal.
Secondly, France has suffered some horrible terrorist attacks. It is the first duty of the state to protect its population. If you have some person of the same faith preaching/inciting violence or hatred against the country, I would expect the state to shut it down. IMO freedom of speech stops at encouraging the killing of other people.
and Thirdly, there is a general election coming up in France in April. Nuff said.

 

Why is that the case, and what would you like to see it replaced with?

And I think "islamophobia" is a reasonable reaction to islam. I recognize that there are millions of peaceful muslims worldwide, but the organized religion that is "islam" is dangerous. I have no doubt that in virtually every mosque on the planet of sufficient size there are people who adhere to real islam, which has a cornerstone belief to kill non-believers, and when they are behind closed doors and think nobody is listening, some sub-set of the members are talking and planning jihad. Let me reiterate that I believe that to be true for EVERY mosque on the planet, except maybe the very smallest of the small. Unfortunately, the number of people who believe they are called to kill non-believers is large enough to be a risk to the entire planet.

 

Well said.

 

Sorry, it's not so simple as that.
It's not so simple as people like you imagine.
It's not always a clear line.
(Of course if a preacher is telling people they should murder innocent civilians in the name of a religious jihad, and the intended killings are specific rather than this just being a religious/philosophical generality, the state will view that as a criminal offense.)

 

That is a dangerous and conspiratorial assumption.
Islam has far more to say than merely warmongering...it has much to say about Zakat, their mandatory process for Muslims to donate a certain proportion of their wealth to charity, for example.
It is a shame to judge all Muslims by a single (if uniquely headlined) element of a very complex faith.

 

I understood that the line was drawn after a period of investigation.
The "line" is dawn based on evidence and judgement about the potential safety of the population.

 

I want something with more prior restraint against hate crimes and hate language. I don't think our current system works as well as it should in the US. Primarily because it has to assume there is a difference between an action and an act of speech. Basically when you say something, it's akin to a shout in the void. But that's not how language works. Language produces changes in the world, so to blatantly allow hate speech because "it's on the same level as anti-racist speech" is laughable.

Yeah justifying islamophobia... is still islamophobia.

 

And yet their lies pale in comparison to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NYT, WAPO, all the nightly “comedy” talk shows, all the daily “chat” talk shows, magazines, most Newpapers, Hollywood and social media. Combined they dwarf your boogie man of 1 measly network.

Completely and utterly incomparable in scope, reach and volume of misinformation. Not even debatable. You are brainwashed.

 

I love how you just say that. With no proof. And the proof you will cite will probably be qualitative yes? You'll probably pick one or two articles and say "this is proof". Which isn't really good proof because it's a quantitative problem. Which then means...you will have to show things quantitatively. And I have never seen a right winger defend that argument quantitatively. Why? Because they can't and never can. Because Fox News tells more lies. I mean look at your argument. You pulled a classic fox news trick of ignoring what is said in favor of your own strawman. Did I only say Fox News, or did I say Fox news and other right wing media?

 

But no other religion globally has as many radicalized. Just not comparable at all. You have crazy “Christians”, but they’re tiny cults and have zero influence. The only religion that controls actual countries with military might, that believe in wiping out races of other people, is Islam. You can’t sugar coat it.

 

I could hand you 100s of articles and it would be a waste of time. If the lies of Russia gate, “fine people”, drinking bleach, “mission accomplished”, Covington kids, Trayvon, BLM, systemic white supremacy, all the lies about police shootings, isn’t enough for you , what else is there to say? YOU believe that **** still. I can’t convince you to realize your entire belief system Is based on lies. Or more likely, you type all this crap month after month on purpose, if you’re even a singular person posting at all. Plenty of accounts that post what you post are controlled by groups because “they” cant remember what the other handlers post on the others off days. People like have come and gone here. Ive be exposed them and they eventually leave or go on ignore. Or maybe you actually believe what you post which is just as bad.

 

I literally called you out didn't I?

You could hand me 100's of articles. But you won't. Because you can't. So you wouldn't do that, and instead you would cite something that looks at the overall validity and trustworthiness of news sites. Afterall, why do all that work when it would be easier to just cite someone else? But I bet you can't do that either. Because those people who know and look at the trustworthiness of sites, all say the same thing. So go on. Show us what proof you have. Otherwise your emotes are just emotes.

 

Quick. Do you believe Trump told people to drink bleach? Do you believe Trump worked with Russia when it was proven false? Do you believe he called the KKK fine people? Do you believe the police are mostly white supremacists? Do you believe Trump told people to riot? The ONLY way you could believe these things is because all the sources I mentioned LIED!!! It’s why you believe what you believe. So copying and pasting links is pointless for someone like YOU because you won’t trust the links unless they’re from the same sources that have already convinced you of the LIES. If you believe any of the above examples you’re GONE!!! I can’t convince you of anything.

Do you not recall the endless threads here with all the links and evidence going over those subjects? Why would I reinvent the wheel again? Go read those AGAIN. All the evidence is already there. I’m
Watching Football on my Sunday not doing Google research for you. Are you insane?

 

I already debunked the qualitative argument remember?

 

Is there any doubt Notre Dame was burned down by a Muslim?

 

Plenty of doubt since there are also Jews.

 

Churches remained open for children to be molested.

 

I never understood that comment regarding France which I heard a lot when France refused to get sucked into Bush's neocon war. To a large degree the US became a dominant power because we did not share a border with Germany as did France. If we had been in that situation we would have been crushed in WWII "tout de suite" as were the French. In WWI the French sustained a bloodbath. Napoleon and the Grand Armee controlled Europe so certainly at one point the French were firing their weapons more than once. They didn't drop their weapons when they provided decisive assistance during our revolution. There is a battle monument with the names of French killed at Yorktown. They backed us in the Berlin airlift blowing up a Soviet radio tower that due to height and location impeded air traffic in and out of West Berlin. They backed us in the our first war with Iraq and in Afghanistan. But to me the most important thing about France is that unlike the United States, France makes an effort to protect their language and culture.

These soldiers do not appear to be dropping their rifles.

 

Call me when they try to stop a free and fair election. Until then have a seat!

 

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There, I fixed it for you

 

Bravo. Post of the day. It’s not worth it. You’re arguing with a brick wall.

 

That is rather a blinkered way of seeing things.
Your right wing fundamental Christians have a lot of influence in US politics...gun control and abortion rights to name two eternally notable issues.
Islam is less concerned abut "wiping out races of people" than regaining what they consider the Ottoman Caliphate that they lost after WW1. After that they had no "homeland". Why be sympathetic to Jewish claims of homeland (which further destroyed Muslim claims to land in Palestine) but deny Muslims the same? If Muslims were desperate to wipe out "races", they would combine to destroy Israel.

Still there is no discussion that will counter the right wing media...equally "racist" against Muslims.
And lastly, if you want to take a position against senseless slaughter of people of any race, how do you explain the unfounded attack on Iran which kicked off so much Muslim unrest?
Finally before you run off thinking I defend terrorism, I most certainly do not. However I do question the oversimplistic analysis that "Muslims" are inherently dangerous. If you understand their cause, you can understand their motives. Neither are mine and being one of the potential targets by dint of NOT being a Muslim, of course I understand the temptation to condemn the collective. But that is not being thoughtful.

 

Those who like to create national myths and memes about other countries might be interested to know that as I write, France is fighting a difficult war against the terrorists who went to Africa after 2019. France is fighting in Iraq, Syria, and the G5 Sahel.

https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/f...tion/terrorism-france-s-international-action/

Where are you?