France Orders Mosque Closed after 'Unacceptable' Preaching

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  1. Toggle Almendro

    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    There are no settlements in the Gaza Strip.

    Mr. Netanyahu is no longer Israel's PM.

    The new guy favors a policy of never allowing a Palestinian state of any form to come into existence, full Israeli annexation of the West Bank (local autonomy for West Bank Palestinians), no Palestinian refugees ever returning to Israel or the West Bank, and handing the Gaza Strip over to Egypt.

    It is unclear whether he has the backing to implement this policy, but it seems clear that he's not about to go negotiate a two-state solution.
     
  2. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The trouble there is that we're going in circles. You're trying to argue on raw semantics if we should call SA purely on the way they access power.
    I personally don't care that much semantics. If it's so important to you, let's not call it a theocracy, and let's call it simply a monarchy. You realize that semantics constitute mostly of a mutual agreement on the sense of a word ? That if for any reason we would mutually agree that "apple" is synonymous of "cat", then "apple" would mean cat in the context of our discussion.
    For some words such "cat" or "apple" the sense it's obvious, but when we're speaking of "left-wing", "right-wing", it's much harder to get a consensus. Even for scientists, it's hard for instance to agree on a strict definition of what constitute "life". I got enough debates on the meaning of "left", "right" to have lost interested in that, as it draw people apart of some pragmatic realities.

    To be fair, yes it's true, I don't mind that much how people get the power in the context of that discussion, but at which point a religion has a concrete coercive power on a population.

    Considering the relationship of the saudi King, and god, here is what wikipedia says of the monarchy of SA.
    What is the Quran ? The word of god incarnated according to Islamic religion
    Let's formulate it back :
    "The king must comply with the literal word of God"
    Even if the king isn't the prophet or get direct revelation word of god, the basic saudi law says that the king must comply with the literal word of god.

    You don't call that a theocracy, okay, I'm not interested to fight on a definition, but let's call it "a regime where the ruler is supposed to comply the literal word of god but absolutely not a theocracy" . You admit that's a kind of government form where religion rule the political life at a very fundamental level ?
     
  3. notme

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    The semantics is that you're inserting your own definition of what a theocracy is. And when looking up what a monarchy is, it flat out labels SA to be one.
    While all you do is play world lingo, but you're not proving your point, are you?

    Again. You're playing world lingo about a definition of theocracy, without putting up a source about it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy
    Theocracy is a form of government in which one or more deities of some type is recognized as the supreme ruling authority, giving divine guidance to human intermediaries who manage the day-to-day affairs of the government

    And the King of Saudi Arabia is absolutely nothing anything close of being considered to be some kind of deity. He is just a man.
     

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