Travis McMichael says in his murder trial that he felt threatened by Ahmaud Arbery

I'm not sure the McMichaels really thoughtfully attempted to create a roadblock. There's a possibility they did not, which I explained in a different thread. Arbery was also able to easily get around the side of that roadblock.

Also keep in mind Travis claims to have stopped the vehicle after Arbery was initially moving away from the vehicle, which is plausible, based on the available evidence.

Those on the other side might present the counterargument that the McMichaels may have been expecting the other truck to chase Arbery back to them. However, we do not know if Arbery was actually chased through intimidation by Bryan in his truck, or if Arbery simply ran away to try to avoid it.

It seems to me like this whole case was based on what the three men might have done, even when there is not solid evidence for that.

 

Which is still a separate issue from whether they deserve to be punished for the consequence of any of their bad behavior, given that the victim was also responsible for creating that same consequence. Their behavior doesn't seem to be the sort of totally obviously bad behavior like robbery or intentional murder, and some of it might even have been a little accidental, them not fully realizing how their specific movements and exact words used were mistakes at the time.

 

But Arbery really had no realistic chance of success.
It was not even like he had a chance of success if he tried rushing one of them. If those other men were ever going to shoot him, it would definitely be if he started to try to take one of their guns.

Let's remember that the McMichaels had plenty of opportunities to shoot Arbery if they had wanted to, but did not.

Do you believe Travis that he told Arbery the police were on their way?
If so, what would Arbery have to lose if he had just waited there, keeping a sufficiently large distance away from the men?

Looking at the video, it doesn't seem that any of the men had at any point attempted to chase him on foot. They had only followed him in their trucks.

And remember, when Travis stepped out of the vehicle, Arbery was currently running away from that direction at the time, Travis claimed, which is plausible.

 

If you have any evidence that any of the three were threatening to shoot Arbery while they were chasing him, please present it.

(I'm not talking about the very end seconds before he was killed, when Travis was positioning himself at the front left corner of the truck while Travis was running forwards towards the middle of the street from the front right corner of the truck)

 

He has the rest of his life behind bars to think about why he chased and killed the man he feared so much.

 

What do you think they are guilty of?

Arbery ran at Travis and was obviously trying to take the gun away from him right before he was killed. Did that leave Travis any other choice in that moment?

Let's see, the men kept following Arbery in their trucks. A crime?

 

And that's what this is about. You believe they should all be sentenced to life in prison for chasing the victim, just because it ended up resulting in the victim being killed after that victim was being stupid.

Are you going to tell me I'm wrong here?

 

They were sentenced for murder, which is what they committed.

Yes, you are dead wrong trying to defend these murderers.

 

Apparently Arbery had reached into his waistband several days earlier to make Travis think he had a gun to scare him away, so he would not follow him right before Arbery was about to enter (trespass) into the construction site.

There is a 911 recording to this effect.

 

I doubt it. They give me the impression that they would have found incarceration some how.

 

Even the other two who did not shoot Arbery.

What you have is totally not any sort of argument here.

I asked why they are guilty.
"They are guilty because they committed murder" is your argument.
But we all know this isn't OBVIOUSLY the case.

 

He killed the man because the man ran at him and tried to pry away his gun, and likely would have immediately shot his father if he had succeeded to do so, we can presume.

(We can presume this because otherwise what Arbery was doing was not self defense. Gregory was still standing on a raised platform overlooking the scene and had a gun in his hand. If Arbery thought he was in danger of being killed by them at that point, he would have had to shoot Gregory, in addition to disarming Travis)

 

Sheeesh.....they chased him with trucks and then shoved a gun in his face, and he tried to fight for his life, and you think he is the one at fault. How can you have it so upside down. This redneck is lucky he didn't get the death sentence.

 

Yo Kaze... Just see what the McMichael did as a post natal abortion, then you'll start asking for their sentences to be change for the death penalty.

 

Not everybody shoots you at their first opportunity. They may torment you first. I would never trust anyone pointing a gun at me. If you do you’re out of your mind. I definitely think this was murder. I wont change my mind on this. If they wanted to retain him there was three of them to do so. These guys deserved every bit of what they got.

 

They should have gotten the death penalty in my opinion

 

and to think, justice was only served cause their own lawyer released the video, karma

 

Did you carefully watch the video? Arbery swerved as if he was going to go to the right, around the other side of the truck, and Travis then immediately starts slowly walking towards the left side of the street, away from Arbery, with his back turned to Arbery. Arbery then suddenly swerves as if he is now going to head in the direction towards Travis. This either was because he saw a viable path opening up in the middle of the road, between Travis and the truck, or because he hoped to jump Travis and take him by surprise. Travis is surprised and a little caught off guard by this, and seeing Arbery running towards his direction, he stops and begins turning and aiming his gun towards him, saying "stop". That is why Travis "shoves a gun in his face" (as you put it).

 

Yes, I watched it very carefully. McMichael is lucky he didn't get the death penalty.

What motivates you to defend something that is so obviously murder?

 

Arberry was a violent criminal with a long criminal record. That cop's knowledge was fine, I suspect 99% of people would have thought the same. No one covered up anything, the facts were always there, it was just public opinion railroaded them. The colour of people in the this case is irrelevant or at least it should be. What badge did the white guy have?

 

He got no violent criminal past, and his criminal record is 2 lines. What we got here, is the ol' argument that his black life did not matter.

Uh no. Them 2 verdicts on Arbery was purely railroading on public opinion.

 

Virtue signaling is dishonorable and childish.

 

Almost sounds like you are excusing what they did. The evidence of their guilt is OVERWHELMING. Justice was served.

 

This is so absurd, all I can do is laugh.

 

Not when he acted in this incredibly stupid manner? But if Arbery was white and the McMichaels white my opinion would be exactly the same. You said no but then you agreed they poor trio were railroaded due to public opinion?