$6 or $7 per gallon is a small price to pay to defend democracy....

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WTI crude has dropped from $125 to $95 over the last few days. For those of you who were blaming Biden for the rise, does he get credit for the decline? The truth is......he's not responsible for either.
     
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    You realize, because I know you are better than this, that it is not necessarily the direct impact of that cost per gallon that effects those in constrained finances that is felt the most, but the indirect costs of goods and services that rise when fuel costs rise? When labor costs rise?
     
  3. Creasy Tvedt

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    So that's your advice to the poorest Americans who are suffering the most due to skyrocketing gas prices and inflation? Ride a bike, and hold your breath, while you wait for Joe Biden to fix the mess he made?
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    It is liberal cheap talk .... when they tell us what we should do... when the last thing you will ever see is the poster ""Reduce your use of the vehicle and either walk or ride a bicycle""
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    It's cheap, and it's ridiculously myopic. Like massive increases in fuel costs is just a personal problem that can be easily mitigated by hopping on a bicycle, and not a system-wide issue that effects the lives of Americans in ways that are far larger than just their immediate personal transportation issues.

    "If the truck drivers who deliver goods to market are struggling with fuel costs, they should just ditch their trucks, and load up heaps of cargo on a rickshaw."
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Using the word "economy" in an OP doesn't mean the thread is about the economy any more than using the word "literally" means a post is about grammar.
     
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    That happened back in the real world, where our insta-experts don't go.
     
  8. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So your alternative to sanctions is ... sanctions. But anybody who understands how sanctions work knows that using up ALL possible sanctions only leaves you with nothing else to do.



    Personally, I think it would be dumb to start World War 3. What would you accomplish? You think starting WW3 would bring the price of gas down? What nonsense!



    Put a Putin puppet in the Presidency so he doesn't attack Ukraine? Your "solutions" become more and more idiotic by the second.
     
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  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Except, he didn't make the mess. WTI crude has dropped from $125 to $95 over the last few days. For those of you who were blaming Biden for the rise, does he get credit for the decline? The truth is......he's not responsible for either.
     
  10. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm claiming that we have not been "energy independent" since the 1940s! You drank the Tucker Carlson Kool-aid. We have been importing oil since after WW2, and have never stopped importing.
     
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    Tucker Carlson has nothing to do with it. But ye, we were energy independent just recently. We did not import oil out of need. We did it to maintain stability in the world market. Just recently we produced all the oil we needed. That changed in the last year.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    WTF? What nonsense! We import it because it's the ONLY way we could get it!

    And absolutely NOTHING has changed.

    Did you actually think the government OWNS the oil we produce? That's funny!
     
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  13. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why?
     
  14. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gee, what a good job Biden did bring the price of oil down. Right?

    Oil drops again, now more than 27% below recent high
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/15/oil-drops-again-now-more-than-25percent-below-recent-high.html
     
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    Read my sig..................it's not rocket science
     
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    the people whining and crying about high gas prices are the ones least effected.

    the tens of thousands of trump/putin lovers living in the villages of florida all live in houses worth $200-$500 thousand..

    they drive electric golf carts around and most times not playing golf

    they just ride around and piss and moan about the world because they can

    it is more fun to bitch and moan than be happy and positive

    one thing that has not stopped since the pandemic

    STD's are at an all time high inn the villages

    alotta grudge "effing" going on!! lol
     
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    Your gripe isn't with Biden, it should be with the oil companies who are more concerned with making a huge profit at the expense of middle and lower income people.
     
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    I practice what I preach. I'm walking more and using other means of transportation as opposed to using my car to travel a mile or so. Can you say the same?
     
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    The entire premise of your argument is that we have a strong economy to make the pay the skyrocketing costs of gas. We don't. Inflation outpaces wage growth. We have a lower labor participation rate than we did in 2019, and we are heading to a recession. Thus, your argument does not hold water.
     
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    Why do you reckon the oil companies only decided to drastically increase their profits once Biden took office?

    One of them coinkydinks?
     
  22. Lee Atwater

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    By doing what? Nationalizing oil companies and demanding they increase production to meet increasing demand rather than asking? https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/13/white-house-biden-gas-prices-515957
    Order ME countries to ramp up production? Order Putin not to amass troops outside Ukraine and not to invade?
     
  23. Golem

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    No it's not. It's that $6 and $7 a gallon is a small price to pay to preserve democracy. And that BTW (side note) it's a good thing this happens in a strong economy because more people can afford it. Read the OP again. This time try to FOCUS. And if you want to discuss if the economy is strong or not... open a thread! I'm sure you won't, because you wouldn't do much better than you did in this one. Given that most economists (probably all... but definitely all I've read) agree that the economy is strong. So you can open a thread if you want, and as soon as you are proven wrong, you can change the subject to derail it. Which is fine by me, given that it would be YOUR thread... and not mine.

    The fact that some right-wingers ALWAYS insist on changing the subject... no matter what that topic is, is clear indication that they have no arguments to support the talking points they get from the wingnut echo-chamber.
     
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    We can produce our own oil. We have plenty.


    Who ever said anything about government owning it?
     
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    Because Joe Biden is a captive of the Green New Deal hard left.
     

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