Macron Is Re-Elected as France’s President

There's not whole a lot that actually does seem to be going Putin's way at the moment. Just one more piece of bad luck I guess. What a pity.

 

It all depends on at what level you are looking.
On a personal level, Macron has eliminated two property taxes I used to pay.
On an international level I am a huge EU supporter so there was no question about my choice. I like an intelligent leader who works on a wide canvas. They are so rare. I feel safe under Macron's intellectual grasp of things and his ability to work on many levels at once.
France is sensitive about those who "lead" from companies to countries. It isn't resentment...it isn't really class...it is a historical cynicism from the days of the revolution. I suppose the closest you can describe it is a deep suspicion of authority. Yet so many of the French support the authoritarian right which still has its place in France's WW2 flirting with fascism. It may be coincidence but Le Pen has much of her support in the NE corner bordering Germany. As long as any difficulties fall on those who are deemed to be "not true french" some are happy to support that seed of fascism.
I count myself very lucky to live with French politics and to have escaped the farce that the UK has become. And from what I read in here, the politics of the USA is just mindless open warfare.

 

They both certainly speak directly into the MICrophone.
The U.S has a representative government, and it is so clear whom it represents that we wonder how people avoid recognizing it.

 

Given these two candidates, Macron is definitely the better choice. Le Pen is just another Putin bootlicker.

 

Millions of French people will not agree with you ... especially on the lack of treatment of the Muslim occupation of France

 

I think the best way is to radically change the rules surrounding political campaigns, as well as the ability to personally benefit from being a politician. All candidates, regardless of party or lack of party, get the exact same budget for their campaign with no ability to use contributions to their campaign, even from personal funds. These budgets will be paid for by tax payers.
Also, no ability to trade in stocks or benefit at all financially for them or their family while in office, beyond a regular paycheck.
Just some ideas. I’m sure there are better ways to go about it. The goal is to attract those people who are truly there to help the country, not profit from it. Political office should be seen as a privilege that you do on a volunteer basis, not as a money making career.

 

What do you mean by the "treatment of the Muslim occupation of France"?
What do you think French people expect as "treatment"?

 

More and more Americans are willingly giving up their freedoms for security. Lots of fear mongering going on by both parties. Why is Ukraine a security issue for the US? Why did America keep the Cold War going with NATO when the Soviet Union collapsed? I'm pretty sure the MIC had a lot to do with that decision. Now are media seems to be on a path to get Americans' behind more involvement in the Ukraine.

 

Awww....what's matter Bill?.....are you butthurt because Kremlins little bi**h dog didn't win?

 

I think people have unrealistic expectations of a leader and that heaps of negative press and negativity from social media feed into this. Be it Macron or Biden, we're talking about real people doing their best to lead a modern nation through all manner of crises and challenges against plenty of headwinds. I think they are doing well enough, all things considered, and that they are unfairly blamed for every little molehill that the internet propaganda turns into a mountain.

 

Helping Ukraine does nothing to affect our freedoms one way or the other, at least directly, but keeping foreign dictators down does help us.

 

Yes, its a smack-down, but not surprising considering he was up against Putin leg-humping fringe politician (the European Trump).

 

Which was, in my case, Donald Trump. So sick of my picks getting rpimaires before the Texas primaries..sheesh. I think not near as many people voted against Trump and for Biden as some think.. even with the Establishment we now have, evidence of a stolen election is mounting.. 2000 mules is a doc on it.

 

What ? It has been proved that Macron has sold the state owned part of Alstom under the price, wasted hundred billions into consultant companies (that he hired as personnal advisors too), he just suppressed the ambassadors organization of France, who made an excellent jobs to replace them by nominated ambassadors.

He does crap, the only thing he has is his pretty face and smile, and to have someone more unpopular than him in front of him.

 

I wonder how bad it would have to get before the Left would see even Le Pen as preferable.
Even she wouldn't do a lot of the stuff that Macron is doing that the Left hates.

Of course the Left has feelings of loathing for the Right that kind of go beyond logic and actual policy.

 

Considering the rate at which her vote progress, let them five years.

 

You mean a little more unemployment and higher costs of living?

Or another million refugees from Africa and the Middle East?

Maybe when the crime rate in Paris rises so high that people begin leaving?

 

Yes. Maybe a bad series of terrorist attacks could too. I think things will go very unpredictable in a general manner. The yellow jackets uprising didn't looked anything that existed before in France, even if we have our history of demonstrations.
I despise her, she is just a parasite, her family too, they lost 8 times to a presidency, just taking the precious media space that could be taken by other movements, ideas. She is the best ally of Macron, he wouldn't have won that easily with something. She is the dollar store villain he need to look a hero.

 

But Macron is seen as "strong" on terrorism.

Probably going even beyond what many of the more Liberal-minded in France would see as acceptable.

Of course some people might be concerned this is starting to turn France into a police state.

I don't think a terrorist attack would take away from Macron's popularity, unless perhaps that terrorism was seen as tied to his immigration policy.

 

Perhaps.

What do you think would happen in French politics if Le Pen was taken out of the scene?

Would the government lean more towards the Left or be more Conservative?

Or stay the same but it would be much easier to replace Macron with someone else?

 

Hard to says. For a long time french policies has been dominated by two big parties, the Socialist Parti (which was moderate left/center despite the name) and the RPR/UMP/Les républicains. What happened with the election of Macron and now ? In 2022 the socialist parti got 1,74 % of the votes, les républicains got 4,8. The socialist parti is dead (good riddance) and les républicains who got around 20 % at the last election is now under 5 %. According to french electoral laws, partis that got more than 5 percent got a part of their cost for the political campaign repayed. They have a crippling debt now.

Basically the parti of Macron LREM, replaced those two big partis. It's sometimes called ironically"extreme centrist". But it's real place is : pro EU, pro free trade, pro billionaires policies that empoverished people of France. It's beyond a simple problem of left or conservative, but it's mostly on an economic. Macron is just an opportunist, he will lean toward conservartive or LGBT rights according to what he need.

Why is it important ? The PS and UMP combinated got before at two of them more than 50 % of the votes, they were dominant, falsely opposed, when they agreed on most of things. The parti of Macron is the children of that. Basically the "moderated" forces melted like snow under the sun. The two extremes are much stronger.

Now there is three forces : the FN (far right), LREM (center), LFI (far left).

If Le Pen was taken out, there could be a talented individual that could manage to unite a part of people voting for the far right and far left. Because those people who vote far right or far left, it's mostly because they're suffering from an economic point of view, it's much more important that the idea of being conservative or being left winged.
It would be even better if the parti of le Pen was taken out. It has a dirty history. Her father tortured people in Algeria, it was founded by former members or supporters of Vichy government (the pro nazi government of occupied france).

Imagine now you get ride of this family of parasites, of this parti of leeches. The legitimate anger of french people would have to be directed in another manner. it's likely they won't still being big fans of massive immigration (then be classified as far right), but it would be much more easy to federate something and overthrow Macron and his alikes.

 

Yes, theoretically. But in reality I wonder whether there is really anyone who could unite Left and Right. The Left tends to be very ideologically stubborn and unyielding, taking too much offense at certain things.

Maybe the closest thing to this might be some sort of Populist movement, like under de Gualle. That was sort of a mild "Right" that was palatable to many French, with a few Left-leaning policies for the farmers thrown in.

 

Horse manure. The US has put many dictators in place.

 

Oh, we're long past that sort of thing.

 

Macron is a socialist.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/07/08/emmanuel-macron-surreptitious-socialist

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...eclares-modern-capitalism-can-no-longer-work/