Macron Is Re-Elected as France’s President

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  1. Pixie

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    She will have to wait until France forgets what it stands for.
    She will be the oldest grandmother in politics then.
    The right lost progress when it became splintered by Zemmour and other right leaning candidates who ended up representing regions, not a general population.
     
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    That's not correct, due to their knock out system.
    There were 3 parties who had in the 1st round between 20 and 30%. Other parties had way less.
    Only 2 of these parties made it to round 2 and that was Le Pen (far right) and Macron (center left)
    Why Le Pen lost, was because that 3rd party that did not make it to round 2, as a far left wing party
    In the 2nd round they all are voting again. Them far left wing people would never vote on Le Pen.
    That's why Le Pen lost. It had nothing to do that Macron had slightly more votes then Le Pen.

    If Le Pen had more votes in round 1, she still would have lost in round 2 due to 2 big parties on the left who are made to vote on 1 of the 2.
     
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    I understand that, but I still don't think it changes the meaning too much of what I was trying to say.

    You said: "Macron got 27% in the first round, Le Pen 23%."

    So there were three rounds and that must refer to the second round of voting, I would presume.

    You seem to have made an error in referring to it as "the first round".
     
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    There were 2 rounds. Only 2 parties from the 1st round made it to the 2nd round, and everybody gets to vote again.
    1st round showed that 27% and 21% voted on left wing parties. It wouldn't have mattered if Le Pen had 28%.
    It already was clear 48% voted left. It was just split over 2 different parties.
     
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    Interesting. So the Left cancelled itself out and were then forced to vote for Macron.

    Wonder what the overall final vote would have been if it was the Left against Le Pen.

    This seems interesting and ironic. It sounds like if the Left were smart enough not to sabotage their chances of winning, that still may likely have ultimately worked against them. Since then the rest of the voters might have preferred Le Pen as the better option.
     
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    Again. In round one:
    Far left: 21%
    Center left: 27%
    Far right: 23%

    Only the center left and far right remained for round 2.
    So it's obvious the left would win with such a 1st round,
    since the far left would never vote on the far right.
    That is, if they turn up.
     
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    The Left makes up 48% of the vote. Isn't it possible that the remaining voters might vote for the Right rather than the Left?
     
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    Macaroon is a puppet of the banking elite and the most hated politician in the history of France. (except by those "creepy" people who likes a guy that is literally screwing his old bag and former teacher that looks like his grandmother)

    The fact that he literally worked for the Rothschild bank in France proves he's a "WEF" handpicked puppet.

    :party:
     
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    How great that he got a sack of tomatoes thrown at him while trying to set up a cynical photo-op?
     
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    Not hated as much as Le Pen-tin.
     
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    I agree. While I think someone like her would be far better than Macron, the French right sucks. They focus in most of the issues with the right rather than its strengths.

    Still, good to see Le Pen getting closer. Macron is a snake.
     
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    Yes well thanks for that intelligent, thoughtful assessment which is painfully lacking in anything to do with politics.
    As for most hated, I suggest you read up on Petain before you expose your "breadth" of French history again.
    However your post was so bad I suspect you are a troll.
     
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    Even immigrant hating Nigel Farage gets groceries thrown at him in the UK.
    Eggs are also a popular choice.
     
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    What do you mean by "snake"?
     
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    There is very little chance that the left under Melanchon would vote for the right especially as M. advised his right supporters to back Macron.
    Further, the right lost as soon as Zemmour entered the race. He reduced Le Pens presence but was so outrageous in his extreme right wing policies that some voters recoiled back to what they knew...Macron.
     
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    Ah, the bleat of Sore losers the world over.
    Including Putin’s puppet , Dirty Donnie .
     
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    Emanuele Macaroon age---> 44 years
    Brigitte Marie-Claude age---> 69 years

    He's clearly a psycho "mental" patient that has "mommy" issues! :confusion:
     
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    If only the same could be said for the hundreds of thousands of miserable marriages and divorces.
    And how unpleasant that you feel judgemental enough to comment on a relationship you know nothing about.
     
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    True, but I've always wondered what exactly it is that causes the Left to have such a stubborn loathing of the Right (and the Right specifically) even though a few of their positions are actually a little bit similar.

    What exactly would Le Pen have to do to get votes from the Left? Promise to hand out free money?

    What is it about Le Pen that makes her far less likeable to the Left than someone like Macron?
    Macron isn't going to get them any closer to their Leftist economic goals than Le Pen.
    (even though France is already rather economically Left-leaning when compared to the UK, or certainly to America)
     
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    Are you Muslim ?
     
  21. Pixie

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    Irrelevant.
    I am French.
     
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    These aren't really questions that are asked very often.
    Le Pen is hampered by her family's deep associations with her fathers nazi ideologies. History is still an active part of voters' choice.I doubt she could do much to attract many leftist votes.
    She has also altered her stance on the EU in public but not really in fact. Taxes and an economic policy are not big issues compared to history, the EU and immigration. If the French don't like economic policy they go on strike and negotiate a change but they can't change the number of migrants or history.
     
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    Relevant. Muslim comes first French comes second. Anyway, without Arabs, Muslims and African minorities Macron would have never won. He is the minorities president. Not the French president.
     
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    I would be interested in some actual data to support this. The outre-mer all voted against Macron.
    I am afraid you don't show any sensitivity to the historical regional tendencies in France. Enough is still reflective of ww2 to make a difference in voting habits.
    And you don't recognise the regional activities which influence voting habits. I live in the rural agricultural SW which supports the left. The industrial NE has traditionally supported the right. Various cities have usually swung one way or another depending on geography and industry.
    You cannot credibly overlay your own country's reasons for voting onto another country's reasons for voting.
    And no. Muslims don't come first. They don't all vote the same way and France is strictly secular. Faith and legislation have nothing to do with each other.
    We could have a proper conversation if you could point out what Macron has done which matters to French people instead of casting him in the same light as an American politician of some crude left/right definition.
    We could discuss his previous tax reforms or the issue of the age of retirement or his influence in the EU or his image at home. Or his cap on energy prices at 4% rise. These were issues in the election. France is less concerned with barn door ideology and more with issues of the relative moment.
     
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    Macron hasn't done anything good for the French people. He is a neoliberal fraud who fooled the French people by promising them a third way. Funnily enough, Zelensky copied Macron's every step of the way until he got elected. A third way. There is no third way. It's a neoliberal way, MMF dictate,
     

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