Declassifying Documents

2) I volunteered to serve in the military. I disdain a guy who was a draft dodger, and who “served” his country by partying in the New York City nightclubs. And I disdain a guy who trashed John McCain for being a POW, and thus trashed ALL American POWs in our nation’s history.

When I was in the military, my job was to keep an eye on the Russians, who were not our friends. I disdain a guy who worships Putin, a Russian who is not our friend, and who is murdering the great people of Ukraine because they want to be free. And I disdain a guy who threw our intelligence people under the bus in Helsinki, in order to appease Putin. And I disdain a guy who caused problems for one of our allies, when he blurted-out classified information to a bunch of Russians in the Oval Office, after he had kicked-out all of the Americans.

When I was in the military, I was protecting our democracy. I disdain a guy who has NO respect for our democracy. And I disdain a guy who tried to undermine our democratic institutions (e.g., our free press). And I disdain a guy who exercised dictatorial control over our government agencies, so that they would serve HIM, instead of the American people. And I disdain a guy who tried to rig the 2020 election in his favor (e.g., by attempting to get the Ukrainians to dig-up FAKE dirt on the Biden’s). And I disdain a guy who led an effort to steal the 2020 election after he lost that election to Biden. And I disdain a guy who incited the violent Jan6 riot in an effort to prevent Biden from taking office. And I disdain a serial liar and con artist who claims that HE won the 2020 election, despite the fact that there is absolutely NO evidence to support that claim (there’s a lot of FAKE evidence and IMAGINARY evidence, but there is NO REAL evidence).

If you STILL find it surprising that I disdain Trump, I would find that strange; but hey, to each their own, right?

 

"It was meant to uncover the corrupt FBI" ? When is Trump going to tell us what he has uncovered from those documents?

 

The fact of the matter is that the president is allowed to see any classified document he wants. And the doesn't even have to tell anyone, he can keep that info to himself. It's 100% his decision. Any he doesn't even have to tell anyone.

It is impossible for the president to have any documents that are too classified for him to see.

 

Guess what, its irrelevant unless he tells somebody.

 

MmmmmHmmmm

 

Things that make you go....huhhhmmm

 

I love the title of the article.

Florida Man Declares National Secrets Belong To Him

What’s On Tap Today?
The Justice Department and Trump’s D-team legal defense squad meet in court in Florida at 1 p.m. ET for arguments on Trump’s motion to appoint a special master in the case. Here’s what to expect.

Folks Cannot Get Enough Of That DOJ Filing
Philip Bump: The photo of classified documents at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort, annotated

Adam Klasfeld: What the DOJ’s Footnotes Reveal About the Mar-a-Lago Probe

NYT: Trump’s Legal Jab Left Him Open to Justice Dept. Strike
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/mar-a-lago-search-special-master-hearing

 

An ex president has NO authority to claim he 'declassified' while he was president. He will have to prove it. How does he do that? By getting confirmation from intel staff, national security staff and original classification authority regarding the president's contemporaneous discussions, memos, notes, and the like. Without proof, as ex President, he has no proof that he did it, and there are 18 intel and nat security staff that will assert he did no such thing.

But. it doesn't matter

What matters here, as what happens in a criminal court of law on 793 indictment.

793, Espionage, mishandling of national defense and restricted data documents, does NOT depend on any classification regime.

Classification regimes are only considered insofar as augmenting or diminishing the prosecutor's or defense counsel's arguments, respectively. Far more weight is given to severity of the damage assessments.

Logically, the only thing that might mitigate the charge are harmless damage assessments, but if that is true, there will be no indictment in the first place.

You might sit there and holler the president can do whatever the hell he wants with our greatest national security secrets, but tell that ****ing **** to a jury and you will be convicted, every time. There is NO EXCUSE for not acting responsibly.

Caveat: "IANAL" this is based on my research of the law.

 

C&P on multiple sites, I highly doubt it was written by the one who posted it....

 

Bingo! He needs proof that he did it. Because he isn't president anymore, and as private citizen, he has NO authority, only claims, claims which will have to be proven. To wit (a rebuttal from another post):

An ex president has NO authority to claim he 'declassified' while he was president. He will have to prove it. How does he do that? By getting confirmation from intel staff, national security staff and original classification authority regarding the president's contemporaneous discussions, memos, notes, and the like. Without proof, as ex President, he has no proof that he did it, and there are 18 intel and nat security staff that will assert he did no such thing.

But. it doesn't matter

What matters here, as what happens in a criminal court of law on 793 indictment.

793, Espionage, mishandling of national defense and restricted data documents, does NOT depend on any classification regime.

Classification regimes are only considered insofar as augmenting or diminishing the prosecutor's or defense counsel's arguments, respectively. Far more weight is given to severity of the damage assessments.

Logically, the only thing that might mitigate the charge are harmless damage assessments, but if that is true, there will be no indictment in the first place.

Many on the right might sit there and holler the president can do whatever the hell he wants with our greatest national security secrets, but tell that ****ing **** to a jury and you will be convicted, every time. There is NO EXCUSE for not acting responsibly.

Caveat: "IANAL" this is based on my research of the law.

 

He is not talking about seeing them, he is talking about declassifying them. Do you know the actual difference between seeing something as President and when he is not as president? Do you know the difference between authority and declassification?

It appears RedStone7476 probably has the experience and first-hand knowledge with these classified and declassified documents you have. And his OP was succinct and to the point. No matter how you look at it, it was at Trump's home, after he was president, mostly in a storage room, mixed in with other documents. The amount of negligence here is beyond reproach. Anyone and I do mean anyone who has dealt with these documents in their career, military or civilian, is appalled by what was discovered. It is one thing if it was half a dozen or so documents, but 300, with letters being SAP, TSSCI, and others shows that Trump either did this intentionally for nefarious reasons, or he is a complete imbecile at being President.

 

Leftie fantasies?! That is absolutely hilarious! Let’s talk about fantasies … REAL fantasies.

As MOST of us know, Trump is a SERIAL LIAR; and when he isn’t lying, he’s making stuff up. So MOST of what comes out of his mouth are fantasies.

And as MOST of us know, he lives in an alternative reality. In other words, he lives in a fantasy-land.

And as MOST of us know, Trump is a CON ARTIST, and he has been able con the MAGA-Republicans in our government into living in his alternative reality. In other words, they are living in Trump’s fantasy-land. And as we ALL know, they often parrot Trump’s fantasies.

And the MAGA-Republicans believe in Trump’s “Big Fantasy” (i.e., the Big Lie that HE won the 2020 election).

Unfortunately, these fantasies have serious real-world consequences. MANY of them endanger our democracy and our nation. (This is consistent with the book written by a Republican strategist entitled “Everything Trump Touches Dies”.)

 

You must not be mine being lied to. The idiot that's in there now lies to you on a regular basis.

 

There is no part of this that Trump did the right thing

 

Easy peasy

If the documents had been declassified that would have been marked on the folders

 

Well this does explain where the missing documents went

 

is that not a foundational concept within American justice?

 

The fundamental concept is the President is the head of the Executive Branch and has the SOLE authority to declassify whatever in the **** he wants to just by muttering the words. It's a Constitutional thing ...... some folks that don't have one or don't know what the hell it is do not understand.

 

Not only is that wrong, it's just dumb.

 

Your first paragraph turns this whole post into one huge turd.

 

Good luck with that buddy. He doesn't have the burden of proof, too bad so sad. This is just another Russia Russia Russia "oh we got'm now" deal. You've struck out with 2 impeachments and a rigged Mueller investigation....this is just another dog and pony show...and if he's indicted for what amounts to a traffic ticket, nobody gives a **** because they see what this is....a Stalin-like move against a political opponent. Look, the left stole the last election and you can indict and convict Trump for bullshit, but he can and will still run again and without another fake mail ballot scam, he'll win, convict or not.

Then he can pardon himself, and give the left the finger.

 

No, he can't pardon himself

The impeachments had a repub 'jury', republicans wihtout a spine who were afraid of stand up to Trump for fear of being primaried.. Those acquitals are meaningless.

As for the Mueller Report, 12 criminal referrals, most people surrounding Trump. Republican senate Judiciary Committee said that Trump's 2016 campaign posed a grave counterintelligence threat. No evidence if 'rigging' that's conpiracy crap.

As for the election, you're talking trash and you have no evidence, and you never did. More looney tunes conspiracy crap.

I don't know if Garland is going to indict, but numerous republicans think the DOJ has the goods on him, but whether Garland will make a move, I don't know.

In fact, you sound like every Trump deluded republican I've encountered in the last few years, nothing but reams of conspiracy crap, and twisting reality to further a dismal right wing narrative that is soon to be heaped into the dustbin of history.

 

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doesn't matter. Those docs belong to the US Government, even if there are docs that are 'exec priviledged' or 'declassified' they still belong to the US Government, period, end of argument, and removing them was a violation of hte espionage act.

Whether Trump is indicted on any serious charge, will depend on damage assessments of those documents that have top secret classifications, and if he obstructed justice insofar as hiding and concealing docs form the government after subpoenas and seizures., whether they were declassified or not, it won't matter.

I realize guys like you lust after a dictatorial president, but this idea Trump can waltz out of the White House with our national security and nuclear secrets and bandy them about in his MAL office and in and around a golf course with impunity, you are living in la la land. He broke the law, and that fact is plain as day.

 

But he can't remove them from the WH, no one can do that, if they are national defense information and restricted data docs.

 

He removed NDI / TS TS/SCI , SI, FRD, RD docs from the WH, that is a violation of the Espionage act, and he obstructed justice by concealing docs after they were requested by subpoena, the DOJ has reason to believe.


So, he's violated 793 and 1519, so far.