Declassifying Documents

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  1. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    From my perspective, it shows there is bias and a double standard. If Obama had done the same, nothing was done about it. Because the left/Dems enemy Trump did the same, all hell had to break loose.
     
  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    He's in clear violation of 793 and possibly 1519

    Both serious felonies for which others have served many years in prison.
     
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  3. Daniel Light

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    So explain to the world just HOW THE **** the rest of the world is supposed to know if a document has been declassified if the documents
    are not re-jacketed? HOW THE **** would the FBI know Trump had declassified documents if Trump didn't follow protocol and
    have them re-jacketed in non-top secret folders? Even looking into folders marked Top Secret without clearance would have been
    a possible crime for the FBI agents who found them.

    So please tell the world how an FBI agent, who finds a document marked Top Secret would not immediately impound them?

    So either Trump lied about declassifying them or he's just a lazy slob who didn't finish declassifying protocol. Which is it?
     
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  4. Bill Carson

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    Oh Danny, I missed you :fingerscrossed:

    Because the FBI was ****ing told so. But the sheep believe whatever the fake ****ing news says, so that's just how it is. This is just a paperwork dispute with the national archives.....just like the great messiah Hussein Obama had....and that's it. You got ****ing played.

    Trump is the protocol. This argument about 'protocol' is just as dumb as saying the Commander in Chief wasn't 'following orders'. The head honcho doesn't do protocols or follow orders.....he ****ing makes them.

    The Constitution. Learn it.
     
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    Remember you said that when President AOC declassifies every state secret and posts them on her Twitter feed.
    Don't give me this bullcrap that a President has no boundaries. Nobody wants that. That's a King, not a President.
     
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  6. Bill Carson

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    Bullcrap? So the Constitution is bullcrap?

    I gave it to you because it's a ****ing fact. The President is head of the Executive Branch....many powers come with it. That's why you don't let mail ballot scams give us dementia potato brains that would do just as you said.

    But if your waitress becomes Democrat Queen, she can declassify whatever in the **** she wants. You do know that stupid **** like the president's kitchen menu is classified, right? I guess not.
     
  7. RedStone7476

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    You got 2 out of 3. Keep guessing, and maybe you’ll figure it out.
     
  8. Bowerbird

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    Aaaand here comes the conspiracy theory
     
  9. Bowerbird

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    But those “powers” do not include a magic declassification wand

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  10. Cybred

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    What you don't understand is that's irrelevant.
     
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    Not even a King as a few who were beheaded found out

    They are applying GOD like attributes
     
  12. Patricio Da Silva

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    Okay, let's discuss the 'constitution'.

    But first, a word on RD docs:

    The president cannot change the status of documents which are governed by the Atomic Energy Act. So, if there were any RD docs in the mix,he can't declassify those on his own, according to Katie Kedian. Who is she?

    Katie Kedian teaches Counterintelligence Law & Policy at the George Washington University Law School. She previously served as Chief of the Counterintelligence & Export Control Section at the U.S. Department of Justice. During her 13-year tenure as a prosecutor at DOJ, she managed numerous successful, high-profile criminal matters in the areas of espionage, leaks and mishandling of classified information

    She explains the limits of Three sources to use in answering that question (of the Presidents classification authority) are Executive Order 13526 (the executive order governing classified national security information), Article II of the Constitution (which sets forth the broad authority of the executive), and a Supreme Court case, Department of Navy v. Egan.

    It's not as absolute as you are claiming. And her credentials appear to be far better than yours.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/classification-status-trumps-mar-lago-documents


    Regarding Navy v Egan, this opinion was written:

    “[The President’s] authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant.”

    She explains:

    The language sounds pretty broad and, at first blush, may seem to give the president authority to do as he wishes with any classified information. But does it? The Article II language presupposes, as Egan holds, that the president has ultimate authority to control access to national security information. This may mean that if a president decides, on the fly, that he wants to convey highly classified information to Russian officials—as President Trump apparently did in 2017—that could be consistent with authorities given to him by the Constitution. (Note, though, that Article II’s conference of authority was likely granted under the assumption that the president would make any such decision in the interest of the national security of the United States and not for personal reasons.)

    But does the language of Article II go beyond that ostensibly principled national security decision-making to allow a president to remove classified information to an unsecure location and purportedly attempt to declassify it, for no apparent national security reason and with no documented process or consultation with the information’s equity holders? On the one hand, one might try to argue that the language in Egan regarding the president’s breadth of authority to “control access” would include moving materials to a location that would be his home once he left office. But on the other hand, would such a reading really be consistent with Article II, without any additional national security basis for the removal of the documents? One could argue the oral disclosure by a president to a foreign official might be consistent with what the founders had in mind when they designated the president as the commander-in-chief, but the removal and attempted declassification of a seemingly wide array of classified documents as in this instance—as a president was leaving office after a lost election, without any stated reason or documentation for the removal and attempted declassification—seems quite far afield from the founders’ intentions. At least one recent court opinion from 2020 (New York Times v. CIA) articulated the point that the reading of the president’s broad Article II power in Egan does have its limits: “ ... declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures ...”


    I'll take her word for it over yours.
     
  13. StillBlue

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    First: WHAT MILITARY BUDGET CUTS??????? Biden's 1st budget, with a Democrat House and Senate, raised the defense spending $54billion.
    2nd: It has been reported that one of the documents included names of paid informants in foreign countries. Agents giving the US Intel on governments like Saudi Arabia who just gave T****'s son-in-law and daughter a $billion despite his far less than stellar business track record. That's a list that is never, under any circumstances, declassified because doing so not only damages US security but more importantly costs people their lives and their spouses lives and their children's lives. What on Earth could an ex-president use that information for? Other than money from the highest bidder of course.
     

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