California first state to ban natural gas heaters and furnaces

I told you "They are banning the sale of the space heater and water heater appliances."
And here you are needing 5 sentences to say exactly the same.

slow clap.

 

I thought that was a given, banning the sale.

 

You asked "What about water heaters?"

And I thought it was a given... when that it was covered under water heater appliances. Yet you found the need to rewrite that question, to now jump on an new bandwagon.

 

Tons of real estate investors refuse to even consider buying property in California. I know I'll never consider it. There's basically a list of states that aren't good to purchase investment property in.

So anybody who did/does buy property in California, they have to know they're taking the risk of the gov't doing something crazy.

 

It's an intriguing idea to develop "spray-on solar cells", and I remember that it was first coming to the world's attention back in 2017. Here's an overview link: https://justenergy.com/blog/need-en...re Spray-On Solar,be sprayed onto solar cells.

I'm not sure the world would be better off with everybody spraying liquid perovskite cells all over the place, but this technology, along with anything else that works, should at least be looked at carefully... and IN THE MEANTIME, use the technologies that we have to keep humanity going!

 

Do you have a magic wand I could buy from you?

 

This isn't 1970.

 

It's not 1970? How profound and meaningful.

The government today is more venal and incompetent than the government of 1970.

 

I posted the evidence of cost. And someone else posted a link to the spray-on technology. What more do you want?

 

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I want a persuasive argument that government can and does work effectively to advance predictable goals.

You know, the best laid plans of mice and men...

Convince me that the goals of the California government will be reached.

 

Most of the solar on rooftops was given away free. IOW, I kind of lease my roof and pay the owner ~ .13 Kwh. It keeps me from going into the next $$ tier. I was not means tested at all.
California is talking about replacing food crops with solar farms since subsidy farming is so much easier than dirt farming.

 

What? I was talking about the practical option of gas v solar electric. We are there. Nothing more needs to be said. Do it or don't.

 

seems stupid if true....... and no clue what this has to do with Hunter

my guess is 2030 will get here and will be postponed until 2040

 

or maybe cause they have a water issues, they're trying to encourage it?

 

Do you want to eat?

 

When I first moved to CA we were in drought conditions and were told to cut back on water usage. Because water usage across the board was reduced so we’re the revenues to the Metropolitan Water District and they had to raise the rates in order to keep operating. The same thing happened about fifteen years later. Even though the rates went up two times because of reduced water usage, when the droughts ended the rates didn’t go down to where the previously were.

El Paso Electric is doing something similar, if you have solar panels you’re getting a bill from them for $30 even if you were gone all month or sent power back into the grid and had negative power consumption. The more solar there is the less revenue power companies will have which means their rates will go up.

 

The last draught lasted from 2011 till 2019. And the current draught is like 3 years old. So that leaves probably only 2020 without a draught since 2011.
https://calmatters.org/california-drought-monitor/

That 30 bucks sound like the fixed rate you have to pay -no matter how much electricity you use- to be hooked up to the power grid so they can maintain it.
Maintenance on power grids aint free.

 

Neah.
It's a ban on buying/selling equipment. It's not a ban on using equipment.
So if you bought a brand new water heater in 2029, you could be set till 2045 before being confronted that you need to replace it with something else.


The entire thing of switching from natural gas heaters to electricity is going to be take over a decade. So everybody -including the power grid companies- got plenty of time to be ready.

 

I would have to figure out if nuclear energy will be used to heat homes in California. They're going to have to resort to something.

 

So the govt has to pay you to get you to help 'save the environment'? It doesnt sound like you're really on board with the whole 'CO2 is gonna destory the world' thing... I mean, I'm not either, but also Im not looking for someone to pay me to pretend to go along it.

 

The water district did the same thing here in Sacramento county. Conserve so we can raise your rates. Huh?
My solar creates a credit that gets re applied in January.
When they did my energy survey I has a conventional one speed pool pump, so the usage estimate was high. Plus I squeezed them for one extra panel. As I said before, I’m happy as a clam. I love free bleep.

 

Better still, give me an argument that it is even constitutional. Obviously, trade in value if you 50k gasoline Lexis is zero in state, so you lose value trying to broker a sale out state.

 

It’s a fixed rate for homes with solar power, not regular users, and I left CA in 2012 - never felt more free.

 

CA alone isn’t gonna save the world

 

And, the government doesn't control it. That the biggest problem.