Sorry Liberals, But The Nazis Were Progressive Leftists

To sum - so very eloquently - up:

 

Doesn't matter if Nazis were left or right wing. Why would it?

What matters is that it's pretty universally recognized that the Nazis and what they stood for was evil. What matters is that you don't do and say the things the Nazis did.

I mean, anyone can play the guilt-by-association game if they want, but it might be quicker and easier to just admit to being a simp.

 

However you must understand what you want to avoid.
And understand the real nature of what you describe, not one turned inside out for personal ideological purposes.

 

I'll agree, but arguing over whose corner has to own a group that did bad things is stupid.

 

Well yes. In isolation and in the best of all possible worlds.
But people use these labels as more snowballs to throw at people they don't like for a variety of reasons

And often they don't understand the wider or deeper meanings behind them. They have been abbreviated to mean merely the opposite of each other. And neither are properly understood.
Let me just add that in a socialist Germany Post WW1 my grandparents , of a family who had fought for Germany , would not have been robbed of their family business and deported because they were Jewish. There would not have been a Hitler representative put into the position of Mayor of towns and cities and there would not have been the theft of everything they had, nor the extermination of almost the whole extended family.
Any similarity of nazism and socialism is frankly a disgrace. And I can only think that it is a desperate attempt to legitimise fascism and/or to misrepresent socialism. Neither of which they understand properly.
IMO ist is as important now as it was then to understand and recognise the truth and not believe in facile labels.
Peoples lives and futures can depend on it.

 

Dear OP, thank you for educating the lefties. Half of them still think Abe Lincoln was a democrat. With the new education curriculum being CRT and sex changes for toddlers 101 its nice to see some people in here bringing REAL education

 

Do you make a habit of repeating misinformation?

 

NO MISINFORMATION
I realize its hard to swallow the truth about the left being the true party of racism
Here's some facts for you
https://truehistoryofusracism.org/2...d-democrats-switched-on-racism-true-or-false/

 

Well, at least you posted this drivel in the opinion section. It should go into the "Crackpot section for Trumpian Delusion".

 

I couldn’t agree more

 

Yet which one was targeted and raided by the opposing party and DOJ? Lol

which one tried to actually pass race based laws? Hint, the answer is Biden

How many times have democrats stressed that they must charge trump so he can not run again? How many democrats in this very forum praise the NY AG that ran on targeting trump then started handing out criminal referrals? How many on the left voted for candidates during trump that ran on impeachment before there was even a case?

The left is most definitely fascists and to think fascism is singular to one party is moronic.

 

Do the people who play this silly game of trying to associate US political parties with the Nazis of the early 1900s think they are getting this "gotcha" moment? Do they really believe there is truly any association? The Nazi systematically killed off six million Jews. There is simply no comparison. No US political party comes even remotely close to the Nazis. It's asinine to even suggest such.
And for the cognitively impaired....notice I wrote "no US political party"....as in neither party. As in defending both parties.

 

I mean.. if you really want to know which side of the political spectrum Nazis fall under, you can always ask them yourself. They still exist today in the form of the KKK, the National Front, and other ethno-nationalist groups. You can always ask people like David Duke or Nick Fuentes, it's no secret what their political affiliation is, and who they support

 

Republicans support border security.
Most people jumping the border are NOT WHITE, so OF COURSE the last 5 KKK members on planet earth will vote for the party with better border security policies.
You have proved NOTHING. its just another failed leftist talking point

 

They WERE socialists. UNTIL Hitler took over the party and changed that.

 

"Sorry Liberals, But The Nazis Were Progressive Leftists"
Absolutely correct "were", today the are RIGHT WING militant anarchist white supremacists.

 

Nor, who they voted for in 2016 and 2020.

 

Wrong. Jeez, you right wingers never give up.

The only people making that claim are right wingers.

No academic, nor history books, agree, nor does Gentile nor does Mussolini.

So, why not read the words of a treatise written by Mussolini, and co-authored by Gentile?

What is Fascism?

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp

...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of Marxian Socialism

Fordham U reports as follows on the above:
In 1932 Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) an entry for the Italian Encyclopedia on the definition of fascism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile

Gentile considered Fascism the fulfillment of the Risorgimento ideals[21], particularly those represented by Giuseppe Mazzini[22] and the Historical Right party.[23]

Source [23] links:

The Right group (Italian: Destra), later called Historical Right (Italian: Destra storica) by historians to distinguish it from the right-wing groups of the 20th century, was an Italian centrist parliamentary group during the second half of the 19th century.[10] After 1876, the Historical Right constituted the Constitutional opposition toward the left governments.[11

It's well established in academia that the 'socialist' moniker was adapted by Hitler only because, at the time, it had propaganda value.


(sources available on request)

"German historian and National Socialism expert Joachim Fest characterizes this repurposing of socialist rhetoric as an act of “prestidigitation”:

This ideology took a leftist label chiefly for tactical reasons. It demanded, within the party and within the state, a powerful system of rule that would exercise unchallenged leadership over the “great mass of the anonymous.” And whatever premises the party may have started with, by 1930 Hitler’s party was “socialist” only to take advantage of the emotional value of the word, and a “workers’ party” in order to lure the most energetic social force. As with Hitler’s protestations of belief in tradition, in conservative values, or in Christianity, the socialist slogans were merely movable ideological props to serve as camouflage and confuse the enemy.

In his 2010 book Hitler: A Biography, British historian Ian Kershaw wrote that despite putting the interests of the state above those of capitalism, he did so for reasons of nationalism and was never a true socialist by any common definition of the term:

[Hitler] was wholly ignorant of any formal understanding of the principles of economics. For him, as he stated to the industrialists, economics was of secondary importance, entirely subordinated to politics. His crude social-Darwinism dictated his approach to the economy, as it did his entire political “world-view.” Since struggle among nations would be decisive for future survival, Germany’s economy had to be subordinated to the preparation, then carrying out, of this struggle. This meant that liberal ideas of economic competition had to be replaced by the subjection of the economy to the dictates of the national interest. Similarly, any “socialist” ideas in the Nazi programme had to follow the same dictates. Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers’ interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state.


The plain truth, writes Historian Richard J. Evans in The Coming of the Third Reich, was that Hitler and his party saw socialism, communism, and leftism generally as inimical to everything they hoped to achieve:

In the climate of postwar counter-revolution, national brooding on the “stab-in-the-back,” and obsession with war profiteers and merchants of the rapidly mushrooming hyperinflation, Hitler concentrated especially on rabble-rousing attacks on “Jewish” merchants who were supposedly pushing up the price of goods: they should all, he said, to shouts of approval from his audiences, be strung up. Perhaps to emphasize this anti-capitalist focus, and to align itself with similar groups in Austria and Czechoslovakia, the party changed its name in February 1920 to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party…. Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism. True, as some have pointed out, its rhetoric was frequently egalitarian, it stressed the need to put common needs above the needs of the individual, and it often declared itself opposed to big business and international finance capital. Famously, too, anti-Semitism was once declared to be “the socialism of fools.” But from the very beginning, Hitler declared himself implacably opposed to Social Democracy and, initially to a much smaller extent, Communism: after all, the “November traitors” who had signed the Armistice and later the Treaty of Versailles were not Communists at all, but the Social Democrats."


Anyone who would call 'social democrats' as 'traitors' cannot possibly be a 'socialist'.

"... Not long after acquiring the reins of power, the Nazis banned the Social Democratic Party and sent its leaders and other leftists identified as threats to the National Socialist program to concentration camps. According to the Holocaust Encyclopedia:

In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo agents went from door to door looking for Hitler’s enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi party was the only legal political party in Germany. Nearly all organized opposition to the regime had been eliminated. Democracy was dead in Germany."

 

What is more fascist than propaganda, spinning a lie to fit a political narrative, just as you have done?

The only people Garland is putting in jail are those who commit crimes. If you characterize it any other way then you are engaging in propaganda, which is fascistic.

Hitler was a fascist. Hitler fashioned his regime after Mussolini's fascist regime.

Giorgia Meloni, often referred to as a far right neofascist, praised Mussolini in her youth. She just won the election in Italy she is backed by Italy's neofascist party.

Here she is speaking at CPAC.

https://www.conservative.org/video/giorgia-meloni-cpac-2022/

https://time.com/6216624/italy-elects-far-right-giorgia-meloni/

The Brothers of Italy party, with neo-fascist roots, won the most votes in Italy's national elections on Sunday.

They are extreme right wingers, and that fact is plastered all over the media.

It is generally well known and well established the fascisms, and neofascism, is a far right phenomenon, which puts Hitler's Nazism, a de facto right right fascist regime.

Also, see my other post on this for much greater academic detail.

the only persons trying to paint Nazism as a left phenomenon are hard right wingers who do not want to be associated with fascism. Welll, y'all blew that ide when you allow Meloni to speak at CPAC, so give it up.

So, the historical record just doesn't support that contention. It's a well known fact that HItler borrowed the 'socialist' moniker in the Nazi acronym for sheer propaganda purposes, and nothing more. In those days, socialism had a nice ring to it in Germany. But, Nazism was a military industrial plutocracy (The Krupp Org) with a dictator as titular head, with nationalist and white supremacist themes, sloganeering/thought-terminating clichés, etc., which is entirely consistent with fascist themes.

Sorry, history is littered with documentation that fascism is an extreme right wing phenomenon and those of you on the right need to stop propagandizing this lie. Sure, the extreme left has communism, fine, but the extreme right has fascism, both are bad.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/italy...vist-who-praised-mussolini-to-brink-of-power/

I mean, we dems get called commies all day long, and no way in hell am I going to let you get away with associating the left with fascism, that shiit stops here and now.

 

What specific law(s) are you referring to?

And regarding Biden: Biden's purpose was fulfilled in removing Trump from office. Anything more he does for the people/nation will be icing on the cake.

What's wrong with that? Are you implying he broke no laws? Are you implying he's fit to hold a high position of leadership?

Good for the AG! More power to her! I hope she puts Trump in the poor house. Michael Cohen believes Trump will be fined far more than a mere $250 million baseline. He believes the fine will be between $750 million - $1 billion, which he says will wipe out Trump.

Trump's out of office, but still wasting taxpayer money by receiving a post-presidential pension, benefits, and security. That needs to stop as well. Not to mention, he defrauded donors by using campaign funds to pay for his legal battles.

There was more than one case. They just had to choose the case with the best chance of succeeding. When a president is impeached twice, you know there's something wrong with that dude. And don't forget, some GOP lawmakers voted to oust Trump.

You're funny. If one had fascist leanings, then naturally one would choose to join the right, not the left. That's why Trump joined the GOP, because that's where the crazies dwell. No one on the left is insane enough to listen to someone like tin-pot dictator Trump (which is why they tried to oust him from office twice).

With all that said, we already live in a semi-fascist system where the un-elected wealthiest elites still have final say. It's just that the left will relent more to the needs of the people than will the right. The proof of the pudding is Trump, election fraud conspiracies, and Jan 6----all still not fully denounced by the right.

 

Disturbing how every single point can be checked off.

 

Fair enough, you have demonstrated a right wing policy which nazis support. Can you demonstrate the progressive policies that nazis support, and how or why those might be more defining policies for nazis?

 

Utter and complete ridiculousness.

The leftist ideology is FAR more likely to result in an authoritarian dictatorship and has done so FAR more times than right leaning ideological country’s do. The reason for this is that the left believes in the collective over the individual. When you advocate for a philosophy that advocates the collective over the individual you are RIPE for the taking. Because their leaders argue that the policies they are putting in place, while they may restrict individual Liberty, they are for the good of the collective. Which allows a corrupt evil leader to subsume control and and turn it into an oppressive tyranny. This is FAR less likely to occur in a society which believes in individual Liberty because those people are not willing to sacrifice their own freedoms for the “good of the collective”.

Here let’s name some.

Lenin’s collectivist ideology resulted in millions murdered.

Pol Pot’s socialist regime resulted in millions murdered.

Stalin’s commie regime resulted in 60 million murdered.

Mao’s collectivist ideology resulted in tens of millions murdered.

Chinas current collectivist commie regime is currently resulting in millions murdered.

Hitler while you folks claim was a rightie… rose to power on the back of the National Socialist Party and the 25 point plan which explicitly advocates for socialist collectivist ideals and resulted in millions murdered.

Exactly which tyrannical regime that murdered millions do you claim originated from a right wing individualistic ideology? Because the record of people murdered rests with the collectivists.

 

Hitler and even Stalin can be argued to not have been driven as much by ideology as by their own ambition, but Mao... Mao was most certainly on the left and they is no way around that.

 

The collective is comprised ox individuals.
Every individual benefits in a socialist state
Not just the wealthy.
I didn't say they were all manoeuvred onto the same socio economic level.

Example...water supply.
Everyone needs it and pays for it through taxes. They should benefit equally from profits. Not some unelected CEO who wriggled his way to the top of the table.
Ditto all public utilities.

BTW Hitlerr hated socialists. He murdered enough of them to convince anyone.