DEMOCRACY.... Is not what most people think it is.

We hear frequently that "democracy" is under attack, and this implies that if it were destroyed America would be destroyed... and conversely, that if democracy is preserved, America would be preserved. This implies that democracy is the determining factor- instead of a tool; and a tool is all that it is. A hammer can build, or destroy. Democracy is a good tool- IF it's in the hands of good people... a destructive tool if it's not. Here's why.

Democracy is the process of the people's votes determining who takes office; who we allow to set policy. It has nothing to do with the quality or wisdom of those people or their policies- only who is in power.

Democracy is designed to give the power over government to the people. It does not insure the people will make wise choices. If we made the choices democratic in a family with many small children and included them all- there would be ice cream for breakfast, no bedtime, no chores. Thus the maturity, the mindset and wisdom of the people in a democratic system have total power over the quality and integrity of the system.

Honor, responsibility, integrity, duty- are not inherent automatic qualities of human beings. These are learned, earned and acquired values, and for that to happen the quality of leadership must demonstrate them constantly, just as the best parents demonstrate them constantly.

Democracy alone does not set any bar of quality for the nation- it places that burden on the citizens. If we fail to elect people who will genuinely uphold freedom and justice for the people- we will democratically elect our own destruction.

Don't buy the claims of people telling you that they are "defending" democracy, when they are in fact defending the right to destroy the reason it was chosen in the first place- the good of the people. If they destroy your values, your honor- they have done just that, and "democracy' becomes the means to accomplish it. Democracy is only a tool- and only works for us when we understand that what we do with it is what matters.

 

I think it was Churchill (who fully supported democracy) who said the best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter.

 

We are a Republic, we pledge allegence to our Republic. If someone wants to go around screaming about saving anything the proper verbage is "Save our Republic". But they just don't get it, the left has engrained this idea that Democracy above everything else is what makes us great when in fact the founding fathers dispised Democraices and insured we would not become one.

In another thread about elections one person, a foreigner of course, posted that voting shoud be mandatory. The LAST thing we should do is force people who otherwise would not to vote.

 

They ask to vote for the president of the country people who have no say in the business of their company. A company is much smaller than the whole country and if democracy truly existed their vote would be important there. So they are not asked about relatively minor issues, but when it comes to select the president they suddenly get a vote. Does not this seem bizarre to you?

 

Not following your meaning here. Where did the "company" come into this? You referring to a business or what?

 

The place where they work: a firm, an institution, a government agency.

One Kremlin political technologist compared Russian state to Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris



In contrast in democratic countries all the sewage pipes are hidden inside.

 

Recent Rasmussen poll found before the election, 57% of voters believed it was likely that cheating will affect some results of the election. Bet that # would go up post 22 election.

 

Cheating?

Like the Republican clerk that illegally requested absentee ballots and forwarded them to her boss so she could cast doubt on the election?

Or like the Republicans that were removed from the ballots because of signature fraud?

Or the Republican in Florida that was charged with funding a spoiler candidate?

Yes, I 100% believe republicans likely got away with some fraud and altered some elections.

 

So you admit it can and does happen but ONLY by Republicans?

 

I don’t think anyone has ever said it doesn’t happen.

Republicans are acting like it is mostly democrats when it is actually mostly republicans. Did you know that prior to the black man being president you could vote with a utility bill in most places?

Then the mandatory voter ID was pushed, then mail in voting, and now its people are too young to vote. — And it’s all because Republicans cannot win elections if people can freely and easily participate even when the house and senate is systematically skewed to rural areas which benefit republicans.

 

So, you think that the 57% that question election results are primarily Democrats who think the Republicans likely cheated?

 

The Republicans just won a bunch of elections all across the country. You are acting like it is mostly Republicans why? Why do Democrats commit voter fraud?

 

Because one can't tell US election statistics plots from those in Russia: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/quiz-russia-or-democratic-country/

 

So you are honoring a benevolent dictatorship? Why am I not surprised here?

Democracy is only as good as the people who elect their leaders into office. Hence, that is both a blessing and a curse. If you do not elect quality candidates, then Democracy can quickly turn into something far more sinister. If you do not elect people who know what service to the country is, then democracy will turn into something more sinister. Hence, in the primary, elect better quality candidates, not election deniers and extremists that you kinda did with certain races.

 

All a republic means is the form of government, but we do use democratic processes to elect representatives, senators, governors, and other high offices at federal, state, and local elections.

 

Oh something like 80% are probably Republicans that have forced numerous audits to find nothing.

 

I said nothing of a "benevolent dictatorship", you did. And it's not only who we elect- it's the rules of the position we elect them to, and our willingness to insist those rules are honored.
We have rules for ethics, and what's more they are quite clear. What we don't have is enforcement of those rules- and that means that for all intents and purposes, there are no rules. That deastroys Order and produces Chaos.

Every member of congress has taken a sworn oath to support and defend the constitution, with no purpose of evasion.
That oath is broken everyday. No consequences result, so the oath continues to be broken.

Reverse engineering: IF you have a state of disorder and chaos, then you must not have working rules. The existence of the condition is irrefutable proof of the state of your rules.

Create a consistent enforcement of the rules, and order will return, and the benefits of the rules will return.

Now we have been trying to elect better candidate as long as I can remember- and I remember Harry Truman. It's not working.... because we have elected better candidates, and put them in an environment where honor is useless because cheating is acceptable. We need to change that before we can expect the people in the game to be able to act honorably.

 

I notice that many good threads on this site, don't tend to get a lot of attention. That's because the democrats on here flood their fellow democrat threads. No matter how pointless and or stupid liberal threads are, they're always going to tend to get a lot more views and posts, because of this.


This is a good thread, that should get more attention.

 

That is part of the reason the founders avoided straight and pure democracy in favor of a constitutional republic.

 

Both Republicans and Democrats have been caught cheating by gaming the system over many long years. 2000 Mules and True The Vote pointed that out with no problem.

The difference in 2020 was the massive scale at which the system was gamed, in this case by Democrats and the Deep State.

 

the first person i'd vote against is a person who made voting mandatory.

we regularly beat this "democracy vs republic" dead horse so i will only add that even the most conservative leaders like bush or reagan recognize that no one will enlist to fight for "the republic," but "democracy" is an effective motivation.

"freedom, in the slogans of the strong, means only unfettered liberty to exploit the weak." will durant

 

Sure it was.
That you are seriously quoting a movie made by a felon that has been discredited in pretty much all areas is just embarrassing.

Y’all have had dozens of audits and investigations across the nation — this has been in and out of court and the only thing that has been concluded is that these claims are baseless.

The largest fraud in 2020 was trump telling his magagapatriots to vote twice and Republican fraud in FL.

 

That you believe the narrative repeated endlessly by known liars makes you consistent. Trapped in a prison of lies, you know no better.

That you malign True The Vote for showing the truth fits right in with your established character.

 

That's what happens when the cheaters are "Really good at it". And I believe they, "DNC" are the very best at it It's like Vegas telling folks for a century that slot odd's are totally random. Then I bought a used machine from back in the late 60's with a the original "Owners Manual" and read the section on how to adjust the ODD's It's easy to lie and fool the ignorant as P.T. Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute"!!

 

Why you gotta go low all the time