Exclusive: US finalizing plans to send Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine

Oh, I think we will as soon as the GOP take the gavel. Write your incoming Congressman. Just what the hell the Deep State is doing in Ukraine became a question when it became clear that one side of our political operatives, The Podesta Brothers were engaged with one side Ukraine, while another side of US political operatives, Manafort and so forth, were engaged in the other side of the Ukrainian government engaged in what looked for all the world like a proxy war between US deep state operatives being fought in Ukraine.

Then Hunter is taking all these payments, 10% for the Big Guy,
Biden withholds a $Billion in aid until the prosecutor looking into Hunter is fired.
Then Trump is impeached for suggesting that Zelensky look into the Hunter thing.
And we promised when Russia didn't object to Warsaw East Germany rejoining West Germany within NATO, that NATO would not expand "one inch" closer to Russia, then under Clinton we did just that.

Just what the hell are we doing in Ukraine and why? The answer: "Don't Worry, We Are Engaged In The Lord's Work, We Swear!" isn't going to cut it. We providing weapons, training, and spending $Billions and we have the Biden/Kackles Administration saying "Trust Us!"? I don't trust those lying bastards one inch. Look at how much they lie about us. Why would I believe them about Ukraine and Russia?

We need EVIDENCE and well reasoned strategy, and we need it NOW.

Congressional Debate!
NOW!

 

They've just quietly handed Grandpa Felony Fingers the money. I want actual open debate, and, I fully expect to get it when the GOP House is seated. If you are well prepared for the obvious questions, why the soft shoe shuffle?

 

Let's keep it that way.

 

I know. But Putler will not confront NATO, he will use the people of Russian origin in those countries. They will do the job for him. Look what he has done to the Ukraine, Kherson fell without a shot. Kaliningrad is the same thing like Sevastopol. Yes, they are NATO members, but they are extremely vulnerable to a Russian organized insurgency.
Russia does the Ukraine and Moldovia and all hell will break out in the Baltics within a year. They know it, that's why they are such great supporters of the Ukraine. Russia needs to be defeated in the Ukraine, which probably means Luka will lose his job, which again would help secure the Baltic states.
The big question will be Kaliningrad, what to do with it. Leave it as it is, or who gets it. What about the Baltic fleet.

This war is not just about the Ukraine, its about Moldavia, the Baltic States and Kaliningrad, the Baltic Sea.
Well and the Crimea and the Black Sea.
Just think, Kaliningrad goes down the drain for Russia, or Sevastopol and suddenly NATO ships are docking in those harbors.
There is far more on the plate then the Ukraine, if Russia can be defeated, there will be a major power change in those regions, Baltics and Black Sea.

 

Koenigsberg ( sic Kaliningrad) is not a country but was artificially and very stupidly given to Russia after WWII. It is self contained and isolated far enough away from Russia to be subdued. Agree that the Moskhailiy will try to use their Russian terrorists living in the Baltics but they should neutralized quickly enough.

 

You have it “straka “ backwards about the Hunter Biden deal. The issue was that the so called prosecutor was not investigating or prosecuting anyone is why he was fired.

 

This is what happens when you barge into a conversation and forget that you were not the original person in it. You replied to my response with someone else about the Budapest Memorandum.



So what exactly am I saying that you disagree with as far as the Budapest Memorandum ? What did YOU say that I said was "wrong?"

 

So in other words, just the countries I mentioned earlier.

Thank you.

 

When the GOP takes the gavel, this guy will be in charge:




So I think you are going to get basically the same White House driven proxy war, although he might throw a little fake rhetoric our way to calm us down and forget that nothing changes.

 

Like Trey Gowdy? Always 'fixin' to do somethin' phenomenal, but never quite getting around to it?

 

Yep, all just lip service to satisfy whatever the polls say. Total RINO.

 

If you want to have private discussions in a public forum then say so in opening thread or take the discussion in the private function. There is no such thing as “barging” into a discussion in a public forum. Yet I don’t need to comment on your posts there are more than enough posts on third forum for everyone.

 

First of all the US didn't "back" into the war. There was no war in Vietnam until the US invaded the country. It was created by the US itself. But maybe you don't know that war was never declared in Vietnam so the logic of idiocy is similar.

 

Don't get me wrong, you are free to "barge in." But when you do, you should make it a point to know what the discussion was, which you clearly didn't. You made some incorrect conclusions about what you think I was responding to, so your reply didn't make sense. But I'm perfectly willing to have the conversation with you about the topic. So what exactly am I saying that you disagree with as far as the Budapest Memorandum ? What did YOU say that I said was "wrong?"

 

'Barging in' and ignorant comments is the modus operandi of many on these topics so you ought to be used to it. No need to try to correct them since they're just pushing an agenda anyway.

 

Hopefully, they will be equally useless as they were in Israel during Bush Daddy's regime. The term "SCUD Buster" was a total fantasy.

 

They did bust a lot of SCUD's and you do realize the Patriot missiles have probably gone through a dozen upgrades since 1990?

Patriots were 85% effective against SCUDS shot at Israel.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-01-26-mn-709-story.html

 

This is a complete lie. In an interview, Shimon Peres himself said that there was only one NON-CONFIRMED "kill" by Patriot missiles. He also said that the only thing the Patriot missile did was shake the hell out of the earth when they were launched. As far as the upgrades, I'll take your word for it.

 

Konigsberg is a POS piece of real estate that the Asiatic moscali savage uses for a naval base ...nothing more.

It has f@ck all for an economy...considering 80% of the enclaves vermin do their shopping and entertainment purposes in the EU.

 

As you well know the training is happening in Poland and other NATO countries. Also, the systems which have been sent are all older systems which do not require extensive training.

 

No, it was later reported that the intercept rate was around 5% and much of the observed damage was from Patriot missiles that missed their target

 

You are as ignorant about the war as he is. You should both stick to topics you understand.

 

You're not disputing my point, you are explaining why it's correct.

 

I am a Vietnam War Veteran. That doesn't make me an expert but I do know and understand plenty. You understand nothing at all. If you did you would challenge me with facts and details. What is it you think you understand? Let's hear it ... if you dare speak up. Well?

 

Being a veteran makes you an expert in a very narrow range that has nothing to do with the comments you posted. The rest you learn like everyone else - reading. Clearly you read the wrong material. I am not interested in dragging this thread off into a discussion of the Vietnam War and neither should anyone else. It has no relevance here.