Classified documents from Biden's time as vice president discovered at Penn Biden Center

The question does not arise.

The documents seized at Mar-A-Lago have never been declassified.

And Trump is lying when he claims that he could have done so only by thinking about it.

There is an administrative process that has been followed by every POTUS since forever.

 

Ok. We've gone far enough and won't get anywhere. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

 

If that was true Obama wouldn't have had to write an EO covering the process.

 

WHO is claiming the legitimate power to impose a process on the Commander in Chief?

How hard is it for you to understand that the Commander in Chief as UNRESTRICTED classification authority. If you want restrictions imposed it will require the concurrence of 38 states. Your problem, and the problem of the parade of clowns pushing this faked up scandal is that YOU NEVER RECOGNIZED TRUMP AS THE PRESIDENT. Which is your right, but, constitutionally, he was the president.

And now with Biden being found to have stash after stash after stash of classified documents in his possession illegally, for years, all during the period he was weaponizing this issue against Trump, when Biden did NOT have the same unrestricted power of declassification, well, you all have really crapped the bed on this one.

And who is attempting to impose this restriction on the CIC's unrestricted power to declassify?

Wrong. Biden has admitted that he illegally took possession of these documents BEFORE he was CIC.

 

Here is what the Judge said in the Trump case:
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...ecords-in-donald-trump-investigation/3163211/

Trump lawyers originally argue that the docs weren't "classified", and then when the judge says they were..... "But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified". i.e this IS a process

 

Enough....your being beyond obtuse.

POTUS is not a king.....

 

The judge was wrong.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...resident-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

 

One could speculate that these were a sloppy "plant"........to foster the impression that Biden is mentally incapable of being POTUS.
Yet these same folks think that a sociopathic liar / con man who belies the law is for everyone else but him.........is just fine.......go figure.

Due to to many critical factors.This country is at a turning point........ prognosis uncertain.

 

You have an opportunity to understand the Liberal Constitutional System you live under if you wish to, or not, that's up to you.

The President, as commander in chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification, the Constitution grants the President inherent authority here. When people lower in the chain of command handle classification and declassification duties it’s because the President has delegated them to do so, or by an appointee chosen by the president, so they operate with the President's delegation of authority. Their delegated authority does not give them the legitimate ability to impose a process on the President's inherent authority.

And the President's power is not uncheckable, there is no unchecked power in our Constitutional Liberal Democracy. Should 38 US States choose to do so, they could impose a process on the President by Constitutional Amendment.

But Congress cannot impose a process, neither can the Court, nor can a Executive Branch staff puke.

As SCOTUS points out in Department of Navy vs. Egan when some self-important clowns were trying to claim a power to restrict the President's unrestricted declassification authority:

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

 

Fake news. Trump has declared that while he was president and possessed unrestricted declassification authority that he declassified them. It is the central question.

Show me in the Constitution where that is stated.

So what? The president's classification authority is inherent, the Executive Branch administrators are operating off the President's grant of authority to them. They cannot with delegated authority restrict the president's inherent authority.

You have deluded yourself into thinking that Administrative Staff Pukes have the inherent authority and that the President has delegated authority which is bassawkwards, which is fine for a political discussion board but quickly falls apart in Court.

 

Fake News. I never said he was king. Our constitution expressly forbids titles of nobility. I stated that he was constitutionally empowered with unrestricted declassification authority that he alone possesses.

I've given you a very nice lesson on constitutionalism. You're welcome. Now think back over all the lying swill you have chugged from so many lying politicians and lying fake news and ponder why it is that you had no inkling of all this, but had to be informed of it by a conservative opponent in a political discussion online.

Are you beginning to wonder what else you do not know? How many other endless loads of crap you have scarfed down at their urging?

If so, good. Such questioning is the first step in advancing your understanding of the reality of what it is to be a Free American.

 

The central question is whether the documents seized at Mar-A-Lago were declassified.

The answer is no.

The rest is irrelevant.

 

Fake News. The guy who had inherent unrestricted declassification authority at the time he took possession of them, says they were. Unless you can produce someone who also enjoyed inherent unrestricted declassification authority, at the same time, and there is no other such person in our Liberal Constitutional Democracy, you are just making noise.

Now your point does apply to Illegitimate Joe and the documents he has illegally possessed for years. How is THAT for an unexpected turn? High Horses are easy to mount and hard to stay on top of.



Boy, after years of weaponizing this issue against Trump has Biden royally screwed the pooch on this one!

 

Once documents become declassified, they become property of the people, right? Where do I file a FOIA to request access? Allegedly, they contain proof of democrat coverup of Hilary's server. Why is this being withheld?

Those documents were declassified for Joe by Obama. Everyone knows that once documents are declassified for you, they become your property...

 

LoL

Your position is so stupid, I don't know where to start.

According to your claims, any ex-POTUS could steal top secret documents on his way out of the WH and then claim he declassified them when he gets arrested by the FBI.

You really will say anything to defend Trump.

 

Start with the Constition.

Now Illegitimate Joe? He did not have inherent unrestricted declassification authority when he illegally took possession of these documents YEARS AGO. So while this issue that Illegitimate Joe, the Corrupt FBI, Dirtbag Merrick have tried to weaponize against Trump, will not work against Trump, it does work very well against Illegitimate Joe. Ooof!

 

Meanwhile, and given that the Biden admin promised transparency, why has the Whitehouse not disclosed the identity of the 2 lawyers who found the initial batch of documents?

 

Please read WHT I posted.

There is no "record" of them being declassified

 

Those are Joe's documents, right? Obama declassified them. How else would Joe be able to read it if it wasn't declassified for him?

 

And why is the White house refusing to release the visitor logs for the Delaware property?

 

The Supreme Court and Constitution disagree with you. There is no process for the President. That's the whole point of having a President. All data within the Executive Branch is controlled by the President. The classification system exists solely because the tasks placed on the Executive by Congress are too great for one person. It needs to be delegated and control of sensitive material needs to managed for national security. However, the President can grab a classified document off his desk, call in the press for a live press conference and hold that document up in front of the camera with no repercussions. No process is needed for the President to declassify that document first. As soon as he makes it public, it's declassified.

There is no law that can take away a Presidential power given by the Constitution. Classification laws and regulations apply to everyone else. This really isn't complicated. I'm pretty shocked by how many people are confused by this on this forum. The press did a pretty good job lying to the public over this issue, but I expected more people to have this basic knowledge from public education and explanations of the delegation of powers.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/484/518/

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...resident-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

 

See post #1465

 

See the Constitution and Supreme Court precedent. Your feelings on an issue do not change the facts. Also, it's cute that we think Trump was arrested.

 

That's another problem. I do not think they maintained visitor logs.

 

So, hypothetically, a double agent could enter the property, do something nefarious, and get away with it, because there are no logs!
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?