After a train derailment, Ohio residents are living the plot of a movie they helped make

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  1. HotasL

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    Dynamic brake applications and automatic emergency brake applications were mentioned in the report. It's just a 4-page report. Try harder.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    A law signed by a Democrat president, with unanimous consent in the House and a veto proof majority in the Senate, in 2015, mandated the ECP brake rule change. Why didn't the Democrats fix it when they were in charge?

    Do you think reinstating the brake rule was of higher priority than defending police, gay marriage and gun bans?
     
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    Oh, nothing. We expect nothing from Bootyjudge...lol
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    No, of course not. We know we can fully expect the Biden administration to blame Trump, before doing nothing.

    We already know that we're out own first responders. Why the **** you think we need semi-automatic weapons? Because when the country is invaded, Biden's administration is going to first and foremost create a plan to blame Trump, then they going to do nothing to protect the country and her people.
     
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    LOL - I praised the whole Republican direction for being successful in fighting regulation of all types.

    Do you really think that Republicans will jump on board with improving railroad regulation?
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    I support any regulation that has a positive impact on safety without having a negative impact on efficiency.

    If you mean "let's create a brake regulation in response to a train wreck where brake had nothing to do with the cause of the wreck"? Then no, that's wasting time.

    Instead, let's figure out what caused the wreck and fix that.
     
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    JFC.....Now its the dems fault that Trump and his DOT rescinded the rule ?
     
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    Trump didn't rescind the rule. The FAST Act did. The FAST Act was signed into law by Obama.

    The ECP brake rule wouldn't apply to this train, anyway. It only had three class 3 flammable cars. What part of that don't you understand?
     
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    FFS:
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/22

    The "Fast ACT" was signed into law by Obama which only required testing of the brakes. Obamas DOT then said that they needed to be installed by a certain date via a "RULE" form their DOT. The Trump admin rescinded that Rule:
    https://www.verifythis.com/article/...heck/536-d0ad26f7-84b6-4707-bcb1-7dc6e0a9f09f

    No,, it would not have applied to this train because AGAIN, the Trump DOT changed the rules on what qualified as a "highly flammable train"

    At the end of the day, the Rail Industry has way to mush power at the DOT. They are deciding what what/when/where they are regulated on and by. Thats a problem in ALL administrations and needs to be changed. Not industry should have that sway over their own regulations.
     
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    FFS, the director of the NTSB says you're wrong. When the hell are you people going to stop repeating bullshit and start thinking for yourselves??

    https://twitter.com/JenniferHomendy/status/1626379352215547906
     
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    She said because it wasn't considered a "High Hazard Flammable" designated train, not that the ECP brakes would have had no effect


    FFS man, why are you making it something its not ?
     
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    Right! You're catching on...lol.

    Trump didn't change the regulation that designated a "highly hazardous flammable train".

    So, stop spreading misinformation.
     
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    I hear that Ohio is now identifying as part of Ukraine so that the biden administration will actually give them some assistance.
     
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    Ahhhh, because it was changed when Trump and the repubs were in power....

    Just WOW.....

    YES the Biden admin could have changed it. See, I hold the, accountable.....your turn ;)
     
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    Trump didn't change anything. What ****ing part of that aren't you getting??...lol
     
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    He rescinded the BRAKE change.

    The definition of the classification of the train has nothing to do with what we are discussing.....your moving the goalpost because you were wrong on count 1
     
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    The definition of an "highly hazardous flammable train" has EVERYTHING to do with it. This train doesn't apply to the CFR...lol
     
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    No, they didn't. The new rules were issued on May 1st, 2015 under the Obama administration.

    "On May 1, the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) issued final rulemaking that addresses the ongoing hazards and risks associated with rail cars carrying Hazard Class 3 liquids.

    Responding to increasing calls for improved safety regulations to address a growing number of derailments involving rail cars carrying crude oil and ethanol, these regulations will result in enhanced tank-car safety standards and improved operational controls.

    Under this final rule, high-hazard flammable trains (HHFT) are defined as trains with 20 or more consecutive flammable-liquid rail tank cars or 35 or more flammable-liquid rail tank cars interspersed throughout a train."

    New Rules for High-Hazard Flammable Trains

    49 CFR § 171.8 - Definitions and abbreviations
     
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    That’s how crazy America has become. Do liability lawyers, and experienced investigators also have a societal function in the so-called “free market?” Is The Department of Homeland Security now going to label all liability lawyers/investigators and corporate crime victims antifa?

    Pete Buttigieg became the US Secretary of Transportation by selling out to Biden during the 2020 Democratic primary to keep Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders from becoming president who would have actually enforced government regulation of corporations. Progressive economists have been warning of corporate deregulation for decades. Ideologically, Buttigieg embraces neoliberal policies like deregulation of industry and privatization of government services just like the Republican party and right-wing. So Buttigieg doesn’t really think Norfolk Southern Railroad needs to be regulated and he doesn’t have the know-how even if he wanted to regulate them. Buttigieg has his job as a sinecure to pad his resume and to prevent corporate regulation enforcement.

    Up until now Norfolk refused to test for one of the deadliest birth defects inducing chemical known to science. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency ordered Norfolk Southern to begin testing for dioxins on Thursday, Feb. 3, 2023. However, the company to do the testing, AECOM, is also the research company that Norfolk Southern hired to test the water in East Palestine Ohio after vinyl chloride was intentionally leaked into the environment—they deemed the water safe to drink. The testing company is essentially a lobbyist for Norfolk. Setting the chemicals to burn off into the air (dilution is always the solution even if it kills) was the cheapest, but deadliest action that could of been taken by Norfolk.

    View from an airplane at the East Palestine intentional burn-off of the chemical spill meaning all the water, soil, and food grown under this cloud is contaminated. There is really no way to clean it up.

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    Now the residents of East Palestine, Ohio, and surrounding region are realizing that the clean-up, investigations, and public announcements by local and federal authorities where all theater to project the “image,” or representation of a response that is really a cover-up of the equivalent of a terrorist dirty-bomb explosion in the region.

    Persons that have experience with helping victims of corporate chemical spills like chemists, scientists, and law experts immediately recognized the pre-planned legal precautions that large corporations formulate to avoid civil and legal responsibility. All communication with the victims is scripted to not give out any useful information, and provide deniability in court. They instead rely on the trust that the public puts into public and private institutions, and ordinary common sense assumptions that could be deadly in this situation. The major news media networks know that the residents are being gas-lighted and that is why they are not at the scene, to avoid any association with the misleading information given by the EPA, Norfolk, AECOM, and local representatives.

    The residents in that region have no choice but to leave the area or take the risk of getting cancer and other diseases. This is another reason that progressives have urged universal health care for all Americans. Not only do both political parties not want corporate regulation of the markets, but they also want ordinary Americans that become ill from chemical exposures like dioxin to pay out of their own pockets the medical costs. Yes, it all sounds abstract—or “woke”—until one’s children are born without eyes, a spine, with half a brain—or an extra external brain. I think Erin Brockovich was key in breaking the “woke” barrier when she BLASTS CLASSIC COVERUP in East Palestine, OBVIOUS "Nothing is Safe Yet."

    Birth defects from dioxin poison is a well-studied phenomenon by scientists.

    The Toxic Impact of Agent Orange: Child Victims of the US Chemical Warfare in Vietnam | Documentary
     
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    Again, were talking about brakes....
     
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    We're talking about brake regulations and the regulation didn't apply to this train.
     
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    Another one in Springfield, Ohio..... video here of it happening

    Currently A larger emergency response along with hazmat crews are underway to a massive train derailment in Springfield, Ohio where approximately 20 train cars are currently off the train train tracks officials are asking everyone residence to shelter in place and to avoid the area at it’s

    https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/stat...eproductions.com/forum1/message3787035/pg9507
     

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