After a train derailment, Ohio residents are living the plot of a movie they helped make

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  1. flyboy56

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    Train derails in Palestine, Ohio and releases toxic gas just like the movie White Noise which aired last year. Makes one wonder?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/11/health/ohio-train-derailment-white-noise/index.html

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    When Ben Ratner’s family signed up in 2021 to be extras in the movie “White Noise,” they thought it would be a fun distraction from their day-to-day life in blue-collar East Palestine, Ohio.

    Ratner, 37, is in a traffic jam scene, sitting in a line of cars trying to evacuate after a freight train collided with a tanker truck, triggering an explosion that fills the air with dangerous toxins. In another scene, his father wears a trench coat and hat while people walk across an overpass to get out of town. Directors told the group they wanted them to look “forlorn and downtrodden” as they escape the environmental disaster.

    The 2022 movie was shot around Ohio and is based on a novel by Don DeLillo. The book was published in 1985, shortly after a chemical disaster in Bhopal, India, that killed nearly 4,000 people. The book and film follow the fictional Gladney family – a couple and their four kids – as they flee an “airborne toxic event” and then return home and try to resume their normal lives.

    Ratner tried to rewatch the movie a few days ago and found that he couldn’t finish it.

    “All of a sudden, it hit too close to home,” he said.
     
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    ‘HASN’T SAID A WORD:’ Republicans Slam Pete Buttigieg For Silence After Ohio Train Derailment.

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    'To be fair, Buttigieg has far more pressing issues to worry about': Pete Buttigieg Frets That Too Many Construction Crews ‘Don’t Look Like’ The Neighborhoods They Work In.

    'The train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, which marks the most recent of several high-profile infrastructure disasters during his two-year tenure.'

    '“Pete Buttigieg has finally emerged today. Not a single comment about the train crash in Ohio,” Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) said on social media. “Instead, he bemoaned the whiteness of the construction industry. It’s a miracle that this country is able to function at all under this regime.”'
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So please explain what you want Pete to do about the Trump administration rolling back regulations on train breaks, which is exactly what is being claimed to have caused this accident ?

    The right in this country is the party of projection.
     
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    Pete corrected what he wanted to correct, and this wasn't something he saw as an issue.

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    Rolling back a rollback: Buttigieg deletes some Trump-era limits on ...
    'Buttigieg's order Wednesday pulls back from the Trump administration's posture by, for example, deleting 2019 regulations that governed how and when department officials can take enforcement ...'

    Maybe he was too busy on leave or on a vacation to do anything?
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, he changed the rules for the departments, not industry regulation.

    Yes, Pete could have reinstated the rule, but it would take4-5 years before it was implemented.

    YES… Pete gets some blame for not reinstating it, but FFS man, Trump rescinded it because the Railroads didnt want to spend any money
     
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    Did the train get rid of it's brakes when Trump got rid of the regulation?
     
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    Virtually all of these issues run back to the prior administration.

    The massive fuel cost spike was because of the short sighted decrease in SA prediction they pushed, formula shortages were due to trade policy, increases in taxes now being seen was because they made them temporary for all but the very wealthy, massive inflation due to the uncontrolled PPP / stimulus programs, Afghanistan due to them negotiating with terrorists and leaving out the local government… it doesn’t stop.

    That all said, Biden forcing through the railroad worker’s agreement after they were complaining about stuff like this potentially happening… is a massive failure
     
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    Most people do not realize the impact of their actions -- until they hit close to home.

    Examples:
    -Opposing environmental regulations -- until a polluter shows up in their backyard.
    -Being against gun control -- until there is a gun death in their own family.
    -Opposing generous unemployment benefits -- until they lose their job and can't quickly find a new one.
    -Being against universal heath care -- until they lose their health insurance coverage.
    -Being for alternative energy -- until the wind turbine is built behind their house.

    And the list goes on.....
     
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    no, they dint update them

    The DOT regulated that they needed to upgrade, and Trump rescinded the new regulation
     
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    Train derailments happen, of course we would like it less often. The alternative would be by truck but they have an even greater percentage of accidents.
     
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    Fake News. And it's 'brakes' not 'breaks.'

    Buttigieg Breaks Silence On Ohio Train Derailment As NTSB Cites 'Wheel Bearing Failure'
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    What, Pete worry?

    'Surveillance video from a residence showed what appears to be a wheel bearing in the final stage of overheat failure moments before the derailment. '

    Derailment was 2/3, Useless Pete finally shows up on 2/14 after his absense is repeatedly called out.

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    Useless Pete's 'Concern Expressing' Face.

    'The fiery crash in East Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 3 involved about 50 cars, with some carrying hazardous materials, including the highly flammable chemical vinyl chloride.'

    Unable to remove the rapidly spreading toxins, the responders lit all on fire, in the best they could do to mitigate the harm.

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    'There have been reports from local residents of animals dying off, including fish, chickens, and livestock.' And some distance from the disaster.

    'Buttigieg did not reference the incident during a Feb. 13 appearance at the National Association of Counties Legislative Conference in Washington.'

    Instead he used his time to complain about the skin color of construction workers.

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    'During the on-stage discussion, Buttigieg touched on topics like racial disparity and mentioned the safety risks of “balloons,” drawing laughs from the audience. But his avoidance of the topic of the derailment and the toxic chemical release didn’t go over well on social media, where critics complained that he seemed to be dodging the subject.'

    So, after being called out and dragged, he finally 'expressed concern.'

    'Over the weekend, several residents posted images of their children suffering from rashes spread along their arms and faces. Others have described their homes as covered in residue, even after cleaning services were hired, suggesting that despite the notice that it was safe to return, residue from the accident remains in the air. Inside the group, they are urging each other to keep meticulous documentation for any future action against Norfolk Southern...'

    '...Against this backdrop, a blighted landscape remains.'

    But, be of good cheer, Useless Pete has finally 'expressed concern'.
     
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    The thread is mote about the movie White Noise and this derailment. I found it uncanny..
     
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    What about the comparison to the movie White Noise? Quite a coincidence.
     
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    Funny, but I looked back for an Elaine Cho thread when she didn't show up at the Amtrack crash where 3 people died in 2017 and she only sent a letter to Amtrak to tell them to adopt auto breaking systems technology, that Trump later stopped.
     
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    Did Trump take away the ability to add those brakes, or just didn't require them? There is a difference, although I see what you were trying to do here.
     
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    We can get some trains and their cargo off the tracks if we built oil pipelines, canceling them will only put more of them out there.
     
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    Buttigieg has proven himself time and time again to be an incompetent moron of the highest order.

    What a brain dead ****wit
     
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    Anything would be something. All he's doing is naval gazing about black people who he's never going to win over.

    Projection is more than what this moron has done.
     
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    Make mine, a super-"like" (of your post). So right on the money. Republican Admin. cuts "unneeded regulations," leading to later catastrophe/safety issues; Republican rank & file, blame the new, Democratic Administration. It would be like they have no sense of the past, cannot grasp the concept of a chain of causality-- except that whenever something happens during a Republican's leadership, there seems always a race to find some past Democratic action, which had lit that fuse.

    Such hypocrisy, of the Party that claims it stands for
    Responsibility, to never be willing to accept any of it, when it falls on their doorstep!
     
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    Mayor Pete’s legacy. A2F9D492-3FCE-4626-B889-1ADF00C9CCDC.png E3C8C402-1CE1-432F-B487-A2CE589CEF23.png 5786B1E1-6530-4F8B-B397-13A004E27362.png 5786B1E1-6530-4F8B-B397-13A004E27362.png E3C8C402-1CE1-432F-B487-A2CE589CEF23.png A2F9D492-3FCE-4626-B889-1ADF00C9CCDC.png
     
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    Interesting alignment of reality with fiction, no doubt. But what does it make you "wonder" about? The interaction with our reality, by some unseen, "supernatural" force(s), with a highly developed sense of irony-- sure thing.

    But, being somewhat familiar with your posts, I'm guessing that you are suggesting the preposterous notion that the government, or some such secret, behind-the-scenes organization, might be to blame for this...because they would want to make sure, a movie had been made about the disaster they wanted create, as well as to be certain to carry out their sabotage, in the same place where that film had been shot?


    Please do yourself a favor, and actually consider what should always be the second step, in that creative sort of mental choreography:
    what conceivable reason, would explain the motivation, for this?

    Oh, wait-- I got it! The Biden Administration wanted to underscore the need for maintaining and upgrading the country's transportation infrastructure!
     
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    They are completely lost.
    First it's "brakes" not "breaks"
    Second it was wheel bearings not brakes that malfunctioned.

    Wheel bearings make it go,
    Brakes make it stop.

    Omar: Where's Pete?

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    Omar recommended that Useless Pete 'take “direct action” to address the situation. “East Palestine railroad derailment will have a significant negative impact on the health and wellbeing of the residents for decades and there is almost zero national media attention.”'

    Useless Pete waited 11 days to 'brake' his silence as he was too busy with other things like discussing racial equity in the construction sector even as he failed to mention the crisis, and desperate first responders, unable to remove the hazardous chemicals decided that the best course of action was to light it all on fire. 'He broke his silence on the derailment Monday evening by promising that he would continue to “be concerned about the impacts” of the derailment on local families “in the ten days since their lives were upended through no fault of their own.”'

    Useless Pete was on vacation when the airline industry melted down leaving thousands of airline passengers stranded for days.

    'Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) asserted at the end of last year that Buttigieg failed to prevent the Southwest Airlines meltdown that left thousands of passengers stranded during the holidays. Sanders had asked Buttigieg six months earlier to consider rules under which his agency would require airlines to “promptly refund passengers for flights that have been delayed over an hour,” as well as impose fines for “flights that are delayed more than two hours” and for “scheduling flights that they are unable to properly staff.”' But Useless Pete was too busy with leaves and vacations to do any of that.

    Useless Pete took months 'of paid leave last year after he adopted twins, even as the supply chain crisis dampened the economy and worsened inflationary pressures. The Supply Chain Disruptions Task Force, created by the' equally useless 'White House two years ago, suffered from nonexistent leadership. The organization noted that Buttigieg’s calendars during his paternity leave show no evidence that he participated in any meetings for the initiative.'

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    Useless Pete vacationed 'in Portugal as rail workers were poised to strike at the end of last year and used taxpayer-funded private jets at least 18 times since assuming office, despite his support for policies that seek to address climate change.'

    Sure, Useless Pete is far too important to use commercial air travel like the rest of us to. He's rarified and "deeply concerned" about climate change, too.

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    The rest of your post is, like Polydectes' post, all about Pete, and not much about this incident, or how it might have been prevented.

    There was a pithy comment about this, by MSNBC host, Chris Hayes, making this simple point: Republicans are great at spewing symphonies of outrage, but when it comes to suggestions, of how to address the danger, going forward-- not even crickets. That is because the things which would lessen the risks of these types of accidents-- for example, inclusion of more chemicals on the list, of those with enhanced precautionary requirements (like, even if it was not the issue this time, mandating better braking ability, on trains transporting them); or requiring that the chemical producers pay for cleanups (and damages), of their chemicals, as with Superfund sites-- but this would require REGULATIONS, which Republicans' Big Business, campaign finance base does not want, so Republicans cannot support. Besides, regulations are a Democratic solution.

    So, I'll ask you two: what do you suggest (other than dumping Buttigieg), to address the dangers concomitant with the transportation of noxious chemicals?


     
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